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    Posted: 04-Sep-2006 at 11:06
Now, Take note of what I will say regarding to the language of the Scythians one by one. I have listened to many made-up stories Indo-Europanists ,who are the representatives of Western historiography, at core of which Indo-Aryan racism lies, invented relating the language of Scythians so far. None of Indo-Europanists who regard Scythians to be a pure Iranian tribe, with whom I confered, has never shown any little evidence to me to bind them with an Iranic origin. I invite everybody who shows that They are an Iranian speaking tribe and those,who will confer with me about this topic, to show evidences which can support their own thesis. 
 
 
The most politically and convincing hyphotesis put forward regarding the language of Schytians up to this day is that the one that is of the opinion that They spoke a Proto- Bulgaric (Turkic) dialect. I will touch upon some of linquistic materials which have survived to the present day from Schytian below.I will try to denoting the quite appearent connections between Proto-Bulgars and Schytians by the light of written sources in my spare time)

No inquistic text belonging to Schytians with the exception of that written on a silver cup written on a flat silver drinking-cup, was found in 1970 in a royal tomb unearthed in the vicinity of  the Kazakh capital Alma-atı.It was easily deciphered with the help of Turkic. Olcas Suleymanov read it in that way; Suleymanov's decipherment is accepted to be the most convincing one in the scholarly milieu.

Han uya otuzu (da) yok boltı, utıgsı tozıltı. ''the son of the Khan died when he was 13 with his death His people died out

Indo-Europanist's failure to decipher ıt with the means of Iranian dialects is publicly known and Nothing has resulted from their attemps to explain the same writing as yet.

Outside of the Schytian writing found in the vicinity of Alma-atı .The most significant Schytian linquistic materials are those decipherment by Andreas David Mortdman.What are mentioned below revolve around the linquistic relics Schytians left found on the cuneiform tablets built of bricks in the neighboorhood of the city of Sus deciphered by Mordtmann .Schytians are reputed to have left those linquistic relics during  their raids into the region under the authority of Persian empire.The list of Mordtmann is as stated below

Anira,Arta,Ata,Attata,Attari,Atıva,Atza,Balu,Dalva,Dalva atı,Dalduka,Dalduk,Du,Evidu,

Gami,Gik,I,İvaka,Kappika,Karata,Katzavana,Kıı,Kutis,Kutta,Piri,Rilu,Chagra,atanika,Taka,Tan,Tap

Tarna,tarti,Taufa,Tırı,Ufarri,Ut,Vara,Val,Tarra,Vit,Vurun

The most remerkable feature associated with those words is that Almost all of verbs have Turkic origin. In regard to the fact that Any language cannot easily borrow verbs from another one,Mordtmann appreciated the view that the language of Scythians was a Turkic dialect.

As opposide to Iranic assumption,the baseles view based on political reasons rather than historical and linquistic ones,Turkic theory is unrivalled at being candidate for their language.The worst part is that Heredotus,our seemingly only source about Schytians, who writes about a Persian invasion of Schytia very specifically says that Schytians were all the way different from Iranic speaking Persians both linquistically and culturally.This also contradicts to Iranic theory.I will explain ,in the future, more detailed information concerning Scythian linquistic materials If necessary
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The Scythian language was Indo-European and Iranic or at least it contained a significant amount of elements from those familes.

Mortdmann's work was done in the late 19th century and a lot of the views on Scythian languages have changed since then due to new linguistic evidence based on etymology, such as the evidence found near Tannais.

Another issue is that Turkic languages were not heavily developed during the scythian era, whereas Indo-European languages were widespread to as far as china. The only possibility of turkic elements is in late scythians near the end of the classical era, which was several centuries after the scythians flourished.

As opposide to Iranic assumption,the baseles view based on political reasons rather than historical and linquistic ones


I don't know if that statement is just totally misinformed, but looking like it itself driven by political agenda, I think this thread is better as closed.
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