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    Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 08:11
i want to ask ,what happen to the prussia after germany was fouded ,are the prussia are related to  german people or russia people ,please let me know ,thank you.
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Prussians were as much German as other small princely states that made up Germany. Prussia was the key player in unification of Germany. It was more like a state withing in a state. It had its own Parliament separate from the German parliament. Prussia's King became the Emperor of Germany. 
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Originally posted by rodimus prime

i want to ask ,what happen to the prussia after germany was fouded ,are the prussia are related to  german people or russia people ,please let me know ,thank you.
 
The original Prussians were neither Russians nor Germans.  Instead, they were Balts.   This means they were related to Lithuanians and Latvians.  The Prussian / Lithuanain region was the last area in Europe to practice state supported paganism.  As a result, German knights launched a crusade against them in the 12 th century.
 
Following this the area was gradually Germanicized.  The Old Prussian language existed until the 1750s and there are Bibles published in the language.  At some time after this, the Old Prussian Language went extinct.  This leaves only two major Baltic Languages (Lithuanian and Latvian). There maybe few isolated dialects of these two languages spoken in Western Russia by small minority groups.
 
As far as customs go, I believe that Pre WWII Prussian hunting customs / traditions  had an Old Prussian / Baltic influence and still retained some pagan symbols etc.   Likewise, prior to WWI, Prussia evidently preserved fuedal landlord - peasant economic / cultural practices far longer than other parts of Germany did.     
 
P.S.  If you are interested in old Prussian hunting customs, there is a photo of a Prussian hunt led by Goering who was an avid hunter.  The photos shows a Killed stag posed in the kneeling position.  I believe the stag has a garland of flowers or cut tree branches around the neck.


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One of Prussia's greatest kings was Frederick The Great.
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One should not confuse the original region and people of Prussia, with the German state that became the dominating power in Germany after 1700.
 
As Cryptic above already explained, the "Old" Prussians were a Baltic people, whose territory had been colonised and germanised during the German Eastern expansion in late Medieval Ages.
Prussia became a domain of the Teutonic Order, and after its demise and secularisation, in 1525 a Duchy with the Duke being a vasall of the Polish King.
Johann Sigismund of Hohenzollern, the Elector of Brandenburg, a far larger and more important state inside the Holy Roman Empire, inherited the Duchy of Prussia in 1618, having been married to the daughter of the Duke of Prussia.
In 1701, his grandson, Frederic III, Elector of Brandenburg and Duke of Prussia, declared himself on his own authority "King of Prussia. The title was eventually recognised by the HRE.
From then on the ever growing territories of the Duchy of Brandenburg became known as Kingdom of Prussia, with  well known implications for the subsequent history of Germany.
In the end Prussia comprised of a very large part of Germany, with the original "Old" Prussia being only a very small part of it, and the original Baltic "Old" Prussians having long disappeared, probably sometime in the 18th century.


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And Prussia now belongs to Russia as Kaliningrad right?
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Originally posted by Argentum Draconis

And Prussia now belongs to Russia as Kaliningrad right?
 
The original Prussia was later in the Prussian Kingdom called "Eastern Prussia" with its capital Koenigsberg ( where Immanuel Kant was born and lived all his life), Kaliningrad in Russian.
After WW2 "East Prussia" was divided between Poland in the South and the SU in the North, the latter retaining Kaliningrad.
At current, the northern half of East-Prussia is an enclave belonging to the Russian Federation, surrounded by Poland and Lithuania.
 
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Prussia was more of a city state of Germany than anything.
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There was a book on the Teutonic Knights that delt with the native prussians and that land up until the mid 15th century; fall of the teutonic knights order.  Teutonic Knights: A military history by William Urban.  I found it to be a good book and recommend it to you, its not long ~280 pages.  It also helps clarify the polish/prussian/german conflict and how it all started.
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That should be of interest to me since I'm starting to move beyond the limits of ancient world history that I've been studying and want to see what happened after the fall of western Rome.  This especially concerns my own ancestry, which is part-German though branches of my mother's family.  There was significant effect from the Germans in medieval and Renaissance-era Christendom, especially concerning the events of the Crusades and the 30-Years' War between Catholics and Protestants.
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