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i have a question on Cossack in russia and central asian ,are Cossack a etchics group or russia dialect ,are they related to turkish people as well ,thank you .
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Originally posted by rodimus prime

i have a question on Cossack in russia and central asian ,are Cossack a etchics group or russia dialect ,are they related to turkish people as well ,thank you .
 
Cossacks are Slavs.  They are Russian today, but in the past, they were  Russians mixed with smaller groups of Ukrainians and a few Poles. 
 
Following their contacts with Turkic groups, Cossacks adopted certain Turkish cultural customs.  In matters of religion though, Cossacks are Orthodox Christians.    As far as their dialect goes, it does contain Turkic words, but I believe that it is very comprehensible with standard Russian.
 
P.S.   As side note, there was a small group of Jewish Cossacks as well.  The word "Cossack" can sometimes be defined as any  non Muslim group with a Turkic cultural influence living outside of the immediate authority of the Centeral Russian government.  Most of these people are (were) Russians. There were, however, smaller groups of Non Russian Cossacks. 
 
  


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They are turkic people.
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Originally posted by Turkali

They are turkic people.
Cossacks are a Slavic by ethnicity and religion but have Turkic cultural characteristics (Weapons, and a semi nomadic,  horse oriented society).
 
They also have a strong warrior tradition.  The Czars life guards were Cossack regiments.  The only reason why the Communists were able to capture Czar Nicholas in 1917 was that Nicholas had sent both his bodyguard regiments to the front earlier in the war.  


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Well I don't know how they got into the region (nor which wave brought them there), but their role is imense into providing irregular horse troops for the russian empire; because they were probably the only one who could oppose the irregular horsemen of the southern riders from the emirates. And the fact that they are probably of slavonic origin is very likely, as russian folklore is full of mythical bogatyr-s - riders that opposed the tatar khaganate.
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Well I don't know how they got into the region (nor which wave brought them there), but their role is imense into providing irregular horse troops for the russian empire;
 
The Cossacks trickled into the region over centuries.  Most were escaped serfs  fleeing their land lords.  Others were bankrupt business owners and yet others supported the losing side in fighting  between Russians, Ukrainians and Poles.
 
The one thing thing they had in common was a desire to live in freedom on the steppes.  And the open steppes did give them the ability to live outside the day to day authority of the Russian government.
 
Here in the USA,  there was a similar steppe group called Comancheros.  They were  far smaller and far less influential than the Russian Cossacks.  Most were White Americans who adopted a Native American based horse culture on the high plains.  The Cossacks may have done a little banditry but they also served Russia in many wars as awesome light cavalry.  In contrast, the Comancheros were  brutal bandits, slave traders and gun traders.    
 


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Cossacks and Kazaks are different.(sometimes some peopels tought they are sameSmile. Thats why some peopels thoght they are Turkic)
Cossacks are Ukrainian Slavs. Kazaks are Central Asian Turks.
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Originally posted by erkut

Cossacks are Ukrainian Slavs. Kazaks are Central Asian Turks.
 
Good point on the similar sounding names (Cossack verse Kazakh). 
 
But I dont think that the Kazaks are a Turkic people.  Instead, they are an isolate nationality and are not related to other nearby peoples.  I have read speculation that the only other nation that is related to Kazakhs are Koreans.
 
 
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kazaks speaks turkish language and kazaks are turkic
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Kazak's are a Turkic people, their leader calls himself a Turk, the Kazak viewpoint is that they are Turkic and their language is also Turkic.

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as russian folklore is full of mythical bogatyr-s

That's weird because Bagatur is a Turkic word and name of some leaders and fightersConfused

 
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Originally posted by erkut

Cossacks are Ukrainian Slavs. Kazaks are Central Asian Turks.
 
Good point on the similar sounding names (Cossack verse Kazakh). 
 
But I dont think that the Kazaks are a Turkic people.  Instead, they are an isolate nationality and are not related to other nearby peoples.  I have read speculation that the only other nation that is related to Kazakhs are Koreans.
 
 


You THINK which is a human thing, but the fact is that kazakhs are turkic my friend.
And about the Cossacks they speak russian but they have a turkic-nomadic lifestyle. The names of their tribes were the Amur-, Astrakhan-, Don-, Transbaykal-, Kuban-, Orenburg-, Semireche-, Siberian, Terek-, Ural- and Ussuri-Cossacks (source NUPI, Centre for Russian studies). Some of these words are turkic. I think they are a mixed ethnic group just like Atillas Huns, the only thing holding them together is their similar lifestyle,
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You THINK which is a human thing, but the fact is that kazakhs are turkic my friend.
And about the Cossacks they speak russian but they have a turkic-nomadic lifestyle. The names of their tribes were the Amur-, Astrakhan-, Don-, Transbaykal-, Kuban-, Orenburg-, Semireche-, Siberian, Terek-, Ural- and Ussuri-Cossacks (source NUPI, Centre for Russian studies). Some of these words are turkic. I think they are a mixed ethnic group just like Atillas Huns, the only thing holding them together is their similar lifestyle,
 
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Cossack(russian transcription "kazaki" - (word come from turcic word and mean "free man") - southern-russian and ukrainian sub-ethnos known from XV century at the area of lithuanian-russian-crimean borders(XV c.).Possible , cossacs culture and organization came from the mixing of  border inhabitants, serfs refuges and nomadic tribes. The characteristic features of cosscas were independence(from nobels/landowners), social structure(miltary organization of society) and Ortodox Christian faith.
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Originally posted by John Lenon

Cossack(russian transcription "kazaki" - (word come from turcic word and mean "free man")
 
Yeap its true.
 
Kaak(Kachak)(Freeman)----Katsak----Kazak(Cossack)
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point that i am getting here though is that cossacks are not turkish no matter how badly turkish nationalists want to believe in it. Even though I am not an expert in this field, just because you adopt a custom of dress and language does not necessarily say what your ethnicity is. Many more factors come into play, and probably if you ask a cossack if his origins come from central asia he probably slap you in the face lol
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Cossacks not turcish, they were slavs. But they got their "name" from neighbours -  turcic tribes (tatars,etc.) , because of permanent contact (war,trade,etc) with them. Let' remember that first cossacks were lived at boarders and their first "work" in lithuanian/polland/russian states was securing the borders ...

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do you know what is kazakhocking? its a cossack folk dance and extremely similar with Chechen folk dance.
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Originally posted by Batu

do you know what is kazakhocking? its a cossack folk dance and extremely similar with Chechen folk dance.
 
It could be because the lage cossacks group (Terskiye cossacks) had been lived in North Caucasus since XVI century. It was very poli-ethnic group: russians, vainahs(chechens and ingushes), osetins, etc. Of course they took some traditions one from another.


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