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    Posted: 26-Mar-2007 at 18:41
every group has some kind of minor rivalries with each other even if closely related
the English and the French, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans, Hong Kongers and Shanghainese, etc

i was wondering about within the Turkic ethnicities.
from what I've seen it seems like theres one with:
Kazakhs and Uighurs
Kazakhs and Uzbeks
Uzbeks and Kyrgyz
Bashkirs and Tatars

and i've heard that it is due to the different life styles a long time ago.

any other rivalries or clarifications?
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Kazak people are much more traditional and strongly bonded to ancient Shamanistic Turkish culture , unlike Islamized Uzbeks and Uygurs . :)
That's why , the lands of Turks are divided such like that .
 
Tartaric people are also a subtribe of Kipcak Turks like Baskirts , but that is nothing more than a conflict of kingship .
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Abovementioned rivalries are mostly due to the differences in the nomadic and sedentary cultures.
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Actually there is no rivalries between Uyghurs and Qazaqs in Uyghur region. Intermarriage is very common in the northern cities where Qazaq people start to settle.  All through the history, we haven't seen any conflict.  If there are some tensions now, then that's definately due to another group intervention, namely Han people.  In short, there is no reason for nomadic and Sedentary culture conflict. They rarely have common interest which is worth fighting for.

 

 
 
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Yeah, there are a lot of tensions.
 
First of all, I believe it is an illusion to think that people are of the same stock only because they speak the languages which are related.
 
For example, a modern Nigerian would most likely say that English is his native language, however, Negerians and Anglo-Saxons are actually people of "very" different ethnic origins.
 
Although the above example is a little bit streched, the same thing is basically true about Turkic ethnicities. People of different origins adopted Turkic languages at the different stages of their history.
 
In fact, most of the Uzbeks are Turkinized Iranians, the peasants and city dwellers untill very recent times they were called Sards not Uzbeks.
 
Kazakhs were historically nomades who fought Sards.
 
Until now Kazakhs have jokes about Uzbeks and their life style and vice versa. Kazakhs also mock Tatars and do not trust them.
 
Tatars and Bashkirs do not like each other, because of a historical heretage. Bashkirs are ethnically Turkinized Finno-Ugric people which fought with Turkic tribes in the past. Later, Kazan Tatars believed themselves culturally superior over Bashkirs etc.
 
Crimean Tatars do not like very much Kazan Tatars.
 
In the 80th Uzbeks masacared so-called Mescheti Turks in large numbers, even burning then at the stake, regardless of the fact that they spoke a Turkic language. In fact, Mescheti Turks, although they speak Turkish are ethnically Georgians which were assimilated during the Turkish rule in that country.
 
There were ehtnic conflicts between Uzbeks and Kyrgyz in Ferghana valley with thousands killed.
 
It is doubtful, whether a Kazakh or Uzbek, will feel affinity with Azeri due to cultural differences; while Azeri might most likely feel more comfortable in the company of other Caucasians like Dagestanis or Chechens which are not Turkic languages' speakers but belong to the same kind of Caucaus' culture and mentality.
 
The best friend for the Orthodox Chuvash would be a Russian, but, unfortunately, not a Turkish guy from Istanbul.
 
And so on...
 
Of course, close languages make people somehow close, but it is an illusion to think that they become that closed. Some Turkic ethnicities are indeed culturally more close to each other but still there are tensions.
 
And I'm not talking about the common ground for the brotherhood between the Tuvinian who is a Tibetian Buddhist (or may be even a Yakutian Shaman) and a Turcoman from the Islamic Republic of Iran...


Edited by Sarmat12 - 01-Jun-2007 at 02:17
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