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    Posted: 30-Jul-2007 at 18:16
It's often been wondered why early man never ventured into the Americas. Finally the mystery has been answered, they were scared of the penguins.
 
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jul-2007 at 21:47
While mainly on a fish diet the penguins enjoyed the occasional human as well.
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  Quote Squire Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Aug-2007 at 05:04
Ok........ guys thats great
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Aug-2007 at 09:33
It is great! Very interesting, thank you Paul. To think that Penguins of that size once roamed earth, is quite amazing. I wouldn't like to come across one in a dark alley!
Do you think the reason it may have gone extinct was that due to its large size (and thus larger SA:V ratio), it was unable to expel body heat fast enough in the stifling equatorial climate? It sounds quite convincing, but maybe there is more to it...any ideas?
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Aug-2007 at 09:58
I believe there was an even larger one in New Zealand
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 07:13
Could this be the [monster] penguin you are talking about Paul?
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 07:33
I guess they ate bigger fish in those days!
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 07:35
They would have to have eaten bigger fish. I would have thought that they'd had a hard time keeping up with the agile small fish they prey on nowadays. Possibly the disappearance (or decrease in abundance) of these larger fish (prey of the giant penguins) brought about their extinction? 
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 08:12
Could be Knights! But could it be the evolution of the orca as a penguin predator that chased them to extinction. The orca then switched to seals, but their black and white penguin camouflage remained?
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 08:19
I've heard that penguin colouration is very effective camouflage underwater. Their tummies tend to be white, meaning that when you are underneath one in the water (looking up at it) it blends in well with the sky which is light. And when you are looking down on a penguin from above, the dark background of the deeper ocean matches the dark black coat on a penguin's back. Also, Orcas still hunt penguins do they not? They hunt just about everything in the ocean except humans actually...well within reason (no brittle stars or sea cucumbers).
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 09:37
They still do but I believe the seal is favorite. I'm not sure what evasive tactics the penguins use to escape them. I was thinking of how Orcas near beach themselves to catch seals near the waters edge.  
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 15:57
Each pod of orcas (mainly depending on geographical location, which governs the abundance and presence of prey items) has become specialised in catching its own regular prey. For example, in Norway, there are no seals or penguins, so the orcas have become expert sardine hunters. I'd imagine you've heard of the bubble tunnel technique? Also, off the coast of Argentina, where the beaches tend to have very steep shores, and where seals are in high demand, the orcas have become specialised in catching seals in the shallows and beaching to catch them. In the Croziers Islands in the South Indian Ocean, King Penguins and Elephant seals are everywhere, so they've adapted to prey upon both. Canada (eg.Vancouver Bay) has a large abundance of salmon at certain times of the year, and this is precisely when the orcas arrive too.
Note that each has not lost its ability to prey upon other prey items,  -orcas are incredibly versatile in both diet and hunting method- it's just that they have become niche predators in each particular area of their vast range. Amazing hey?
Sorry to detract from the whole penguin thing...I mentioned penguins in there once...
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 20:35
I wonder how quickly a pod would adapt if in an unfamiliar envirion? For as long as it takes to get really hungry I suppose! They are quite amazing creatures. I have heard of the bubble tunnel technique where they swim around like mad to cause the bubbles. Whoops, I haven't even mentioned the happy feet penguins at all!
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 02:24
My guess would be that an Orca could adapt very well to just about every oceanic environment. I don't think catching prey would be there problem, more the temperature and environmental variation. Say, we are detracting from Paul's topic here - shall we create a topic on Orcas?
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 04:16
Why not? but I have reached the end of my knowledge on Orcas!
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 06:10
What is an Orca? It linguistically reminds me of an Orc but I believe you are speaking of something else...
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 06:21
Orca = Killer Whale (Scientific name: Orcinus orca)


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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 06:48
I have been talking about the killer whale, called orca. but if you are talking about middle earth orcs... that is another creature entirely!
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 07:08
That was just the closest thing I could think of when you mentioned 'Orca'. I understand that Orcs most likely hunt humans...
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 07:37

Gaelic orc means "young pig" and Norse rkn means "seal" .but I like their image of the Orc as misshapen humanoids with brutal, warmongering, sadistic, yet cowardly tendencies. No offence to Orcs of course!

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