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Topic: What do you thinkabout the Islamic Revolution Posted: 13-Feb-2005 at 20:00 |
Please reply only if you have enough knowledge about this complicated theme.
Iranian and Islamic voices would me rather interess then westerners attitude.
I think it is only bad that the Idiot Saddam attacked Iran, and so the Islamic Revolution could not spread over the hole Ummah.
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Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 08:40 |
The Revolution was not an Islamic revolution to start. There was all soprts of entities involved; nationalists; socialists; marxists; islamists; democrats.
Khomeini promised to return to the mosque after the revolution but he lied and deceived the people.
Then Saddam attacked Iran - this made the Islamic government much stronger - it gave them more mandate to crush any opposition, they have executed and imprisoned about 200,000 dissidents since 1980 - including many Ayatollahs and religious figures who disagree with the IRI and religion in government (good people who recognised that religion is a private matter not to be imposed).
The revolution and subsequent war with Iraq (who was supported by every major government in the world against Iran) sent Iran back in time socially. Before the rvolution people partied outside and prayed inside, today people pray outside and party inside.
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Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 13:48 |
Yes you are right with the war... myself I read Chomenis Testament. He wrote that the war in Iraq, even him radicalised, and without this war he had nerver could to establish so radical laws.
Are you sur that so many died, i read that "only" 20'000 dissidents were killed.
I agree with the IRI's Rulles, they are in some cases more modern then even in Secular Countries in this Region, all what in IRI is forbidden should be also in my country be forbidden, but I disagree with such drakonic punischment.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 02:08 |
I personally find both theocracies and athiest-governments to be equally scary. I hope the Iranians can overthrow the mullahs and have a democratic state that respects all religions, without forcing them down people's throats.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 03:54 |
Islam countries are controlling bad and poor by stupid managements.. so, Islam can t introduce to world good.... only biggest democratic Islam country (Turkei) is developing and managed good.. others like the anarchy management...
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Turks managed all world with history... Others watched Turks with a big confusion...
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 16:31 |
Turkey
Boy, Turkey is a economical not better, for example:
Turkey has far mor Debst:
Turkeys Debts:78.7% of GDP
Irans Debts: 28.2% of GDP
Iran is richer then Turkey:
Turkey's purchasing power parity - $6,700
Iran's urchasing power parity - $7,000.
You can chek all facts:
Iran: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html#Ec on
Turkey http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tu.html#Ec on)
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Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 19:48 |
Originally posted by Zagros Purya
The Revolution was not an Islamic revolution to start. There was all soprts of entities involved; nationalists; socialists; marxists; islamists; democrats.
Khomeini promised to return to the mosque after the revolution but he lied and deceived the people.
Then Saddam attacked Iran - this made the Islamic government much stronger - it gave them more mandate to crush any opposition, they have executed and imprisoned about 200,000 dissidents since 1980 - including many Ayatollahs and religious figures who disagree with the IRI and religion in government (good people who recognised that religion is a private matter not to be imposed).
The revolution and subsequent war with Iraq (who was supported by every major government in the world against Iran) sent Iran back in time socially. Before the rvolution people partied outside and prayed inside, today people pray outside and party inside.
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Then do not trust religious islamists. Hope our liberal democrats will understand this fact too.
What makes me really sad is, Iran was converted to islam by force of the arabs. Now Iranians force their own people in the way of islam. Sad, very sad. When I look at Iran, I feel pity. I sometimes wonder, what if Heraclius did not beat Iran so that they could resist the arabic invasions.
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Posted: 23-Feb-2005 at 21:00 |
Originally posted by Bosnjo
I think it is only bad that the Idiot Saddam attacked Iran, and so the Islamic Revolution could not spread over the hole Ummah.
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huh!!!
it is Iranian revolution not Islamic and it took lots of years for Khomini to do what he did and that was only possible in Iran and Iraq not all the Islamic countries or "Ummah"
the shiea dont have power or influnce over the Arabic Gulf countries
they are dreaming of taking control of the Holist cities
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Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 18:17 |
CIA is not an economical foundation. Here look what wall street says:
http://www.wallstreetview.com/GDPRankings.html
Iran was far richer than Turkey before the mullahs. Now they are weak in economics because they do not have free market. Turkish telecom company Turkcell bought more than 70% of the stocks of Irancell, but their parliement decreased it to 49%
Akfen group built the Khomani airport, Iranian government in the beginning refused to pay their money. This is how mullahs are trading.
And our economical figures are not calculated in todays manner, next year we will calculate our GNP and GDP like everybody does. It will probably be around 600 billion USD.
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Posted: 10-Mar-2005 at 21:48 |
Why would you want such an overbearing revolution to spread to other Muslim areas? There are such stupid laws likea all the school principals have to be Muslim even if the school is Christian, or you have to pass a Islamic theology test for university and such things. It is good to get rid of a monarch any day but if you replace it with a bunch of mean old men that don't let you hold hands on a date whats the point?
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Posted: 11-Mar-2005 at 18:22 |
Originally posted by azimuth
Originally posted by Bosnjo
I think it is only bad that the Idiot Saddam attacked Iran, and so the Islamic Revolution could not spread over the hole Ummah.
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huh!!!
it is Iranian revolution not Islamic and it took lots of years for Khomini to do what he did and that was only possible in Iran and Iraq not all the Islamic countries or "Ummah"
the shiea dont have power or influnce over the Arabic Gulf countries
they are dreaming of taking control of the Holist cities
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Lets not forget that Saudi oil for the most part is under the feet of Shiites although the small Shiite minority in Saudi Arabia are amongst the most impoverished in that country. Ruling families and people tied to them would want to keep thing the same for the obvious reasons, but if they have free elections in any of the Arabic gulf countries chances are the change is going to be more drastic as Iraq
And we could argue which would be the holiest cities to Shiites. Southern Iraq or Mecca
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Posted: 11-Mar-2005 at 19:10 |
---CIA is not an economical foundation. Here look what wall street says:
http://www.wallstreetview.com/GDPRankings.html---
the dates are from 2003, turkey has improved his position to number 14, and it is still improving, under the rule of a moderate islamist, Erdogan who was injailed for islamist tensions, and his former party under Erbakan in the 90', had been strogly loyal to Iran.
but iran has also a sustainable and strong growth like turkey, yes they have oil but also they have serious problems with the US, turkey was subsidised by the West, and now turkey had got a custom union with the EU, so that they need not to pay customs for export, not even we bosnians who are realy realy deep in Europe, did not get this.
--Iran was far richer than Turkey before the mullahs. Now they are weak in economics because they do not have free market. ---
Guy do not believe the bull sh*t of free markets, that is only good for 10% of the people in a country, if you do not believe me compare Europe with USA.
say me where is it better live, with or without health care and social systems.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2005 at 19:21 |
--Why would you want such an overbearing revolution to spread to other Muslim areas? There are such stupid laws likea all the school principals have to be Muslim even if the school is Christian,---
Every country has stupid Laws,
--or you have to pass a Islamic theology test for university and such things.--
Here in switzerland you have to learn french even if you do not need it, even for entrytest at universities for example history, you need this language.
---It is good to get rid of a monarch any day but if you replace it with a bunch of mean old men that don't let you hold hands on a date whats the point?--
AFAIK in Iran is it allowed to hold hands, or do you want to kiss your girlfriend or make a peep show,
A society needs moral discipline.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2005 at 21:00 |
Originally posted by Miller
Lets not forget that Saudi oil for the most part is under the feet of Shiites although the small Shiite minority in Saudi Arabia are amongst the most impoverished in that country. Ruling families and people tied to them would want to keep thing the same for the obvious reasons, but if they have free elections in any of the Arabic gulf countries chances are the change is going to be more drastic as Iraq
And we could argue which would be the holiest cities to Shiites. Southern Iraq or Mecca
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what are you talking about? the shiite in Saudi are in the area of dammam and that is not where the "most part of the saudi oil" most of the oil is in the desert
also they are minority in UAE and Saudi Arabia so even if there was election it wont be by any mean like it is in Iraq.
and there is no Argue to where is the Holiest City , for all muslims Makka is the Holiest City. next to it is Medina then Jeruslem
the Shiite added some more city which we sunnies dont consider as holy
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Posted: 08-Apr-2005 at 00:37 |
I can understand where Bosnjo is coming from.
Bosnia was ruined by primitive Nationalism. The Economy is ruined and the future feels irrelevant to most people.
The Iranian government did unlike many other nations attempt to help Bosnia during the War with Military and financial aid. There is as a result of this history links which are founded on some basis of substance. Iran allows Bosnians to travel back and forth to Iran and some few hundred Sarajevans speak Farsi ( fluently).
This is part of a long continuum of relations and cultural exchange between Persia/ Iran and Bosnia. The legend of 40 Persian dervishes who brought Islam to Bosnia is one such piece in this time frame.
Bosnians are living a quiet reflective life now. They don't crave for material wealth. They want inner peace more than anything. Part of the healing process for them lies in reuniting themselves to their Islamic past in a meaningful way, and Iran for all its many terrible political highs and lows still has so much to offer culturally and spiritually. Politicians need not spoil this special relationship.
Bosnians are not Islamic like Wahhabis would like them to be but they are all with deep feeling, and on this level they make fine friends with Iranians and Iranian Culture.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2005 at 18:48 |
This article gives you a new perspective of what the "islamic revolution" was all about.
"The 1979 revolution was a manifestation of the genuine protests of the
deprived people of Iran but the 'Islamic revolution' and the Islamic
regime were the result of the Cold War, the result of the most modern
political dealings of the world at the time. The architects of this
regime were the strategists and policy makers of Western powers, the
very same ones who today, from within the swamps of cultural
relativism, once again legitimise the very monster they created as the
natural product of 'Islamic and eastern society' and worthy of the
people of the 'Islamic World'. The entire West's economic, political
and propaganda resources were pulled together for months before and
after February 1979 in order to establish and maintain this regime."
Read more here
http://www.wpiran.org/History%20of%...0undefeated.htm
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Posted: 09-Apr-2005 at 22:03 |
Lets hope they don't reinstate Monarchy though.
Mullahs Clock is running down. Rafsanjani even bought his daughter 2 villages in Canada, for their eventual arrival presumably into the chill wind of Exile.
Expect to be seeing Mullahs parading up and down Kensington in a couple of years time too, having stuffed their accounts with enough to survive the next Aeon in the UK, without doing an honest days work!!!
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Posted: 09-Apr-2005 at 22:53 |
Monarchy has never been the answer, I still don't really get some of
these people who want monarchy back. Monarchy was bad, Mullahs are
terrible too. I think what Iran really needs is a secular democratic
government. It's simply unrealistic to expect a socialist or
communist
government in Iran for now, we're just not there yet, but I think
iranians are ready for a constitution which is not based on Islam or
any
other religion for that matter.
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Posted: 10-Apr-2005 at 20:33 |
Haha!
Rafsanjani may be in a village near you soon!
Maybe they'll even change the name so as to feel more at home!
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Posted: 10-Apr-2005 at 20:57 |
Originally posted by Saki
Haha!
Rafsanjani may be in a village near you soon!
Maybe they'll even change the name so as to feel more at home! |
You know what, I don't really care, let them keep all the god damn
money they've stolen, just kick them out of the country and keep them
out and Iran will be happy.
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