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    Posted: 17-Dec-2008 at 00:34
 
…hello everyone…

 

….I was recently reading the current issue of BBC History magazine, and in particularly the regular series of ‘My History Hero’ where a guest writer gets the opportunity to put forward their thoughts about an individual historical figure. This month’s guest was Simon Jenkins, writer, editor, and chairman of The National Trust and he chose William Hogarth for historical profile..

 

…Many of the contributors tend to provide a few sentences ‘in defence of history.’ However, my attention was drawn to Jenkin’s concluding remarks, as they appeared to offer one of the better examples.  Firstly, According to Jenkin’s, he became interested in history because he liked ‘stories’ and regards the “narrative as the most comprehensible way of understanding the world, rather than through the medium of ideas and abstractions.”

 

Secondly, Jenkin’s finishes off his article with this conclusion…..“For any community to be confident in itself, to be able to understand what makes it a community, what binds it together, what differentiates it from other communities, other countries, is a sense of identity. There is no such thing as a sense of identify unrelated to history. You cannot envisage your future as a group of people if you cannot envisage your past. I’ve always found it absolutely extraordinary that the two subjects east rated in the curriculum, geography and history, are to my mind absolutely fundamental to the psychology of human communities. A knowledge of history has top underpin our sense of who we are.

BBC History Magazine, Vol 9, No 12, December 2008. p.98.

 

…Now, I am aware that this maybe treading on old ground but perhaps look at it as resurrecting a prevalent and, as yet, undetermined theme of historical study. Although i have some small reservations about the first quote, the second quote  pretty much mirrors my own opinions, although articulated much more eloquently and succinctly than me!!. The sentence regarding the constant devaluing of history as a school subject in England is one aspect firmly rooted in my own consciousness. This in light of the fact that there is yet another government backed effort to de-value the teaching of history in our schools going on right now. This simply appals me for the very same reasons that Jenkins has pointed out in the second quote.

 

So, would anyone care to comment on these observations or thoughts?

 

All the best……..AoO…

 

 

 

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I'm not certain I agree with the first sentiment (narrative over ideas) as it seems far too credulous, uncritical, and passive.

While the second part may be true, it presumes that identity politics are a good thing. I'm uncomfortable with the idea that history should be emphasized in order to create even more entrenched versions of identity politics! They seem quite entrenched enough to me! This is precisely the kind of history I dislike most.

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I think people overlook the historians craft - which is first and foremost the ability to spin a yarn. Tell a good story.
 
I think historians who get wrapped up in trying to assign morality or purpose to history, who constantly make their own value judgements on past events end up producing a warped, overly critical account which concentrates on the bad apples. Probably what is worse is the historian who has some particular cause of his own (Be it socialism, conservatism, Liberalism, feminism etc. etc.) and bends his search for evidence to approve his/her own thesis.
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  Quote edgewaters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Dec-2008 at 01:55

Originally posted by Parnell

I think people overlook the historians craft - which is first and foremost the ability to spin a yarn. Tell a good story.

You may have a point there - I think history is meant to be critically examined and discussed, not just passively received, but I do concede that there is something, too, in letting go of that and just allowing the story to fill the mind's eye.

But not at the expense of dialogue - even before being a story, history - like science - is fundamentally a social activity.

 
Probably what is worse is the historian who has some particular cause of his own (Be it socialism, conservatism, Liberalism, feminism etc. etc.) and bends his search for evidence to approve his/her own thesis.
Can we throw nationalism into that list too?


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Well, its not entirely possible to be completely objective as a historian. But I think nihilists overstate the case when they say even the attempt at being objective is pointless since we are all naturally, inherently biased to one thing or another (Which of course, we are)

I would question the extent you believe history is a social activity. Do you mean that history has a purpose to present political and social problems? Or that it studies the actions of humanity in different era's and contexts?

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  Quote edgewaters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Dec-2008 at 02:36

Originally posted by Parnell

I would question the extent you believe history is a social activity. Do you mean that history has a purpose to present political and social problems? Or that it studies the actions of humanity in different era's and contexts?

No, I mean it is constructed socially, through dialogue and through the combined work of different disciplines. Criticism and/or collaboration are responsible for most advances in historical interpretation, and before things even get to interpretation, the work of legions of specialists is involved - archaeologists, art historians, linguists, literary experts, sometimes very specific specialists like specialists in fashion or pottery, or even scientific disciplines like biologists and chemists.

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ah, I understand...
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