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Topic: Palestine Posted: 02-Aug-2005 at 09:07 |
hello guys ,
can anyone tell me where did he palestinians came from originally and who are the first ever people lived in plaestine ? thank you.
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Posted: 02-Aug-2005 at 10:55 |
the first people of Palestine was a sea people called Palesinians (name comes from there) They were semitic people... Then than place invaded by Egyptians and then Jews came here... And then Romans, Byzantines, Arabs etc.
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Posted: 02-Aug-2005 at 13:54 |
The area where Palestine/Israel currently is has always been inhabited
by Semitic peoples. Semitic is a very broad term that includes many
different people like the Arabs, the original Egyptians, Mesopotamians,
and others. The Hebrews were Semitic as well.
The Hebrews moved to the already inhabited area from Mesopotamia, and
then to Egypt during a great famine. Other nonespecific Semitic people
continued to live there. The Hebrews then migrated back into the
region, causing great death, if Biblical accounts are to be believed.
Other Semitic peoples were displaced by the Hebrews. Stronger Semitic
peoples like the Philistines and the Phoenicians made their own nations.
The term Palestine comes from the Philistine people who dominated this
area when the Hebrews were in Egypt. It was the Egyptians who gave this
land the name Palestine, as home of the Philistines. The Bible uses the
name 'Palestine' to refer to the coastal area southwest of the Hebrew
kingdom, where the kingdom of the Philistines laid.
I believe that the PLO defines the Palestinians as Arabs who lived in
the area before the Zionist immigrations of the Jews in 1947. However,
the Arabs only moved there in great numbers during the very late 6th
and 7th centuries and so are not the first inhabitants of Palestine.
Neither are the Jews for that matter, no offense to either side. The
original inhabitants of the area have long since died off or have been
assimilated into current peoples.
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Posted: 02-Aug-2005 at 13:57 |
Some studies of DNA distribution among the Palestinian 'Arabs' and 'Jews' would be interesting.
Anyone know of any?
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Posted: 08-Aug-2005 at 10:39 |
Original Egyptians were Hamites.
Also, Phoenecians once colonized the Palestinian lands and spread their genes there.
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 03:20 |
I have heard that the ancient Palestinian are mentioned in the Bible as philistine. Is this proved or just an assumption?
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 09:59 |
That is correct Raider,they called giants because they are then the jewish imgration to palastine.
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 10:08 |
jew were not the first people to live in Palistiane, there were other people there before the Jew.
and Arabs in Palistaine today are not all Arabs from the Arabian peninsula, they are mixture of the original people and Arabs, as many Areas in the Arab World, people from egypt, tunisia , palistine, lebanon, Iraq, the rest of north Africa didnt vanish when Arabs conquered them and they were not killed, they mixed with Arabs and most of them became Arabised.
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 18:08 |
Originally posted by Raider
I have heard that the ancient Palestinian are mentioned in the Bible as philistine. Is this proved or just an assumption? |
Yes, I said this in my post. The Bible refers to the coastal area
southwest of Israel as Palestine, as it is the home of the Philistines.
Hmm... I don't think you guys read my post. Come on, read it. I worked really hard on it. Please?
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Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 03:32 |
Belisarius:
I'm sorry. ![](smileys/smiley19.gif)
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Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 11:38 |
We can't just say happily that Palestine was always inhabited by
Semitic peoples. What we know is that the area of Syria-Palestine was
in Paleolithic times home to a culture that evolved locally. They
formed then part of the Neolithic revolution (that also involved other
cultures of the Anatolia-Zagros area), when they created the first
towns like Jerico or Ugarit. It seems that eventually they were semitized like
the rest of peoples of the region by semi-nomadic peoples of this
language (though one can also hypotetizy in Semite language/culture
being autoctonous to the area) forming the Canaanites.
C. 1300 BCE several migrations took place: Arameans and Hebrews on one
side and Sea Peoples (Philisteans and others) on the other. This is the
period of Hebrew conquest of the country, rather well known by Biblical
accounts.
In the 1st century, under Roman occupation, the Jewish rebellions
caused a violent reaction by Rome that comitted systematic genocide on
the Jewish population, killing and enslaving most of them, what surely
rendered the land empty for
other neighbour peoples to settle in. It's believed that most of modern
Jews are descendant not from those that dwelled in Palestine in times
of Jesus but from those of the diaspora (settled mostly in Asia Minor).
Still Arab-Palestinian genetic makeup doesn't seem very different from
that of Sephardic Jews, what means obviously that they are closely
related, if not just basically converted Jews (see: ref1, ref2, ref3).
(See also Wikipedia for historical info on Palestine and Palestinians)
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Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 22:56 |
Is the term "palestinians" really appropriate considering their relationship or lack of with the Philistines?
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Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 00:35 |
Originally posted by cattus
Is the term "palestinians" really appropriate considering
their relationship or lack of with the Philistines? |
Who cares? We can't say that they have no relation at all with ancient
philistines but we know that they dwell and have dwelt for centuries or
milennia in the land known as Palestine, so I think it's perfectly
justified.
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Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 01:14 |
Originally posted by azimuth
jew were not the first people to live in Palistiane, there were other people there before the Jew.
and Arabs in Palistaine today are not all Arabs from the Arabian
peninsula, they are mixture of the original people and Arabs, as many
Areas in the Arab World, people from egypt, tunisia , palistine,
lebanon, Iraq, the rest of north Africa didnt vanish when Arabs
conquered them and they were not killed, they mixed with Arabs and most
of them became Arabised.
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exactly its not a replacement of population the invasion armies were so little compared to the regions populations.
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Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 09:03 |
I think these guys must be the original natives of Palestine.
![](http://www.wsu.edu:8001/vwsu/gened/learn-modules/top_longfor/timeline/neander/images/neander-portrait.jpeg)
But later the evil homo sapiens killed them all. ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 14:37 |
Originally posted by Raider
I think these guys must be the original natives of Palestine.
![](http://www.wsu.edu:8001/vwsu/gened/learn-modules/top_longfor/timeline/neander/images/neander-portrait.jpeg)
But later the evil homo sapiens killed them all. ![](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
Actually that would be true if talking about Europe. But actually
Palestine has the oldest remains of Eurasian Homo sapiens (c. 90,000
years ago). Later Neanderthal remains are found c. 60,000 BP but, in
this case, it seems that our species (originary from Africa) was there
before our European cousins, Homo neanderthalensis.
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Posted: 26-Aug-2005 at 19:45 |
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so political.
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Nice nice. by the way, I was surprised that there is no Palestine in the list of countries on this forum ![](smileys/smiley6.gif)
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