Iranian influences on Arabic

Tzar comes from Khosrow (Avestan Khosroy)

But he was a magi priest, and yes the author might most likely be ignorant about Islam, for Dastur Dinvar became Salman Al Farsi. And he was respected by the prophet, for he is the only believer to actually await and seek out Muhammad. His role in the conquest of Iran was critical for the Arab.

Maybe your right, but why call it Ultra nationalism? Who is he to question the Prophet Muhammad, he knows everything and his voice and will is Gods. I would rather refeer to these people as fanatical Shia's as we also have Fanatical Sunni's but lets not call them Ultra nationals, they do not represent the nation.

If the Quran is the continuation of the Bible then Cyrus and Darius should be mentioned, they were critical in both Judaism and Christianity, If islam is the next stage of evolution of these religions then thus it follows they must be refeered in the Koran. That was the logic of the Author of that Article, i cannot read Arabic therefore I cannot argue with you or discuss it. However I refuse to read english translation of the Koran due to the loss of meaning and limitations of English, also most peopel who translate get past, present and future tense wrong etc etc

One thing also other Iranian nationalists argue is that Muhammed Stated he came for the Arab people. Not Iranians, for Iranians await the return of Shah BahrAm.....

 

"Zoroastrians as "Majoos". Is this the same people in the english version known as the Sabeans?

Arabic was not "forced" it simply became THE language to speak with the advent of Islam, especially in urban areas.  The fact that MANY areas (700 years in some cases) did not convert to Islam for hundreds of years after the invasion shows that it was not forced.

ok

for the 1st part of your post, i am confused what is it you want us to know? your first post in this thread you claim that Iranian language influenced Arabic one, then you posted some articles about Iranian scholars through the islamic history whos work was mostly in Arabic!!

i dont see if those articles are in anyway supporting your first post!

then you jumped up with the same theory that some iranians here brought  which is that islam came from zoroastrian religion and Salman alfarisi tought the prophet,

and now you are accusing arabs of crimes they did to the iranians!!

anyway, about the Quran and if it says that the Prophet came to all human kind or it didnt,,  YES it did, if you dont know whats written in the Quran then dont make assumptions as you wish to support your theories.

and about the islamic conquests, well the conquests untils the prophet death covered all Arabia, and under Caliph Umar the conquests took egypt, jorden, palistaine, syria, lebanon, Iraq and Iran. and that ended the sassanid empire and started the Islamic age in iran.

at that time Caliph Ali was alive and possibly participated in those conquests. so still dont assume that these conquests weren't approved by the Prophet or Caliph Ali just because you are a Shie'e who at the same time want to take credit of Islam as it is a persian religion !

and about the crimes and the books you are recomminding me to read, well i dont know much about any crimes occured in that period of time, when i have time i will look for them in the Old Arabic Books and in the English encyclopedias.

jut a note about the language, it was not requied to know Arabic at the first years of the Islamic emipre, it was considered Official language of the Umayyads by one of the Caliphs for got who but i think it was Al Waleed. from that time Arabic was the official language.

i also think that the Persians were able to keep their language and the language of the terrotories north and east of it when it got independence of the Abbasides and i think the Shie'e faith also helped.

thats why the areas which was covered by Umayyads are Mostly Arabic speaking execpt Iran and the countries north and east of it.

note that it was NOT forced it was concedered the Official language only.

 

on a different note what happend to that Iranian and Arab poll???

Well then Azimuth you answered it perfectly, arabs don't care... And they recently changed it. Now you know more of the hostility between iranians and Arabs, you might see some of us as nationals just as we see Arabs the same, trying to destroy Iran. It might be a simple change of name but what next?

This is why most Iranians have no sympathy or wish to make peace with Arab nations for reasons like this. I know lets not call it America lets Call it Arabica or lets call medeterrenean Arabterrenean! Same thing mate as calling Persian  Gulf, Arabian Gulf. Ohh and arabs complained to the BBC that is why the BBC calls it the gulf now even with Iranian protest.

Actually the largest part of the Persian Gulf is Iran, as for arab speakers do not forget that Iranian population of this Area is often forgotten by Arabs, an example Bahrain, 70% of the population are Iranians, and lets not get started on UAE, the fact that the origianl populations of this country was Persian and Bedhoins before the fall of the Ottoman empire.

Actually when learning Arabic I filed an offical complaint with the University and with my Arab teachers (hence why I left this class) her reply is 'disputed territory' Thus she had to change it to Persian Gulf, it is the correct name, has been for as long as anyone can remember.

I am glad you admit it but do not forget that this change of name has nothing to do with population at all, change came during the Iran vs West period of the 80's in which every arab nation except for Syria supported Iraq against Iran.

The only country helping Arabs in the middle east fight oppression is Iran, exampls Hizballah, Hamas etc etc etc

I have nothing against any Arab, I want a mutal respect and political correctness to stand. Just as I will not call UAE Iranian Territory due to respect to current government and people.

I believe this type of recalling the Persian Gulf is disrepectful and a blatent attack on Iran!

whatever dude, you have nothing, deny all you want in your little world of only Arab books and a few english ecyclopedia, I see why you don't get the point..... majority of my reference has been none iranian sources and authers including the topic I started and the research. I suggest you look at the link before talking about me or Iranian nationalism.

You obviously are an Arab nationalist

The sources are verified by author and he provided a website from which he got the information, also in one of the pastes there were examples of Iranioan words in Arabic that had been Arabised, for those of you that asked after it was pasted.

Aryan Khadem, please tone down your language and put your point across in a less aggressive manner.  Consider this an informal warning.

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