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QuoteReplyTopic: Return of Tengriism? Posted: 05-Mar-2006 at 08:26
"Well that's your opinion then - Many Turks look to the skies and shout Allah, so why not Tanri? Not too many in Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan shout Allah though, as their social link to Islam is far weaker than in our Turkey."
That is not an Islamic practice, nor have i seen any Turk do so. You sure the person you claim to have seen was sane?
"why follow Tengriism just because our anscestors followed it" is totally baseless - from a religious perspective.
How? the whole reason people like you are following it is as you clearly admited "as part of a new national ideology". This is clearly a religion that is being stimulated by Turanists in order to have more in common with each other.
Even the article mentions "Supporters of Tengrism do not deny that as a national doctrine, it will represent mainly pan-Turkic and even pan-Kyrgyz views. "
"From a personal point of view, I don't enjoy following a religion adopted and partly forced on us by the Arabs, in fact I lament the day we made cultural contact with them (battle of Talas). But because Turkey and the Turkic world is become increasingly pluralistic and people are exploring their roots further, the growth of Tengriism once again is far more likely than even 5 years ago - it is already attracting groups in Turkey especially after the Altay Shaman Nadya Yuguseva visited the black sea coast some years back."
Actually Islam is making a come back through out the whole Muslim world: Fact. Are we to believe that Arabs are forcing it upon us in modern day Turkey.
Have you read the whole of your article:
"Some Kyrgyz experts see Tengrism as an idea developed to resist Islamic feelings among the Kyrgyz public "
I think the problem with Turnists/Ulkucu etc is that you seem to think that a religion is part of a national identity. Islam-Arab, Tanrism-Turkic/Mongolian, Christian-West etc. Well its not, its a personal belief that NO ONE can force upon an individual. Your born with an ethinicty, not a belief
Well that's your opinion then - Many Turks look to the skies and shout
Allah, so why not Tanri? Not too many in Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan
shout Allah though, as their social link to Islam is far weaker than in
our Turkey.
The idea of religion is to follow what you want, OSMANLI, not what
others want you to, so you saying "why follow Tengriism just because
our anscestors followed it" is totally baseless - from a religious
perspective.
Besides, it is being proposed as part of a new national ideology, why
you think it is a 'conspiracy to install a new religion' is probably
because you're paranoid.
From a personal point of view, I don't enjoy following a religion
adopted and partly forced on us by the Arabs, in fact I lament the day
we made cultural contact with them (battle of Talas). But because
Turkey and the Turkic world is become increasingly pluralistic and
people are exploring their roots further, the growth of Tengriism once
again is far more likely than even 5 years ago - it is already
attracting groups in Turkey especially after the Altay Shaman Nadya
Yuguseva visited the black sea coast some years back.
Why follow Tanrism just because our ancestors followed it?
You might as well sell your computer and buy a hourse. Live as a nomad.
As the title says "National Ideology", when infact they are installing a religion to boost their pre-Islamic culture of the Kyrgz. This will never work, because people wont trully belive in this religion. I find it hard to belive that people in Kirgizistan will start to look at the sky and shout Tanri.
Following the removal of Kyrgyzstan's long-time President Askar Akayev
on March 24, 2005, the new government led by Kurmanbek Bakiyev
terminated some of Akayev's efforts to build an official state
ideology. But aside from anti-corruption slogans aimed at remnants of
Akayev's regime, the Bakiyev government has not generated any new
political concepts. A number of Kyrgyz politicians are actively pushing
Tengrism, an ancient Turkic religion dating to the fourth century BC,
to fill the ideological void. Dastan Sarygulov, currently secretary of
state and formerly chair of the Kyrgyz state gold mining company, has
established "Tengir Ordo," a civic group that seeks to promote the
values and traditions of the Tengrian period in modern Kyrgyzstan.
Independent Kyrgyzstan has not been able to promulgate a state
ideology, although the Akayev regime made many failed attempts.
Beginning in 1991 Akayev had to confront the twin pressures of growing
Kyrgyz nationalism and increasing nervousness among the ethnic Russian
population about their status in post-Soviet Kyrgyzstan. The former
president tried a variety of national projects ranging from the
ethnic-centered "Manas-1000" in the mid-1990s, to more civic-based
ideas such as "Kyrgyzstan is Our Home" in the late 1990s. In 2002
Akayev's government celebrated the 2,200-year history of the Kyrgyz
nation.
In the mid-1990s the Manas ideology, based on the world's longest epic
narrative, was placed at the center of efforts to advance a national
consciousness. Seven maxims mentioned in the epic and modified by a
government committee on cultural and educational affairs were included
into the official state ideology. A competing ideology, the
civic-oriented "Kyrgyzstan is Our Home" campaign, was primarily
directed at the Russian-speaking and ethnic Uzbek minorities. While the
civic formula gained popularity, attempts to incorporate all ethnic
groups into a common idea about the Kyrgyz state inevitably exacerbated
neo-nationalist political movements in the country.
Given his high position in the government, and his credentials as a
member of the economic elite in Kyrgyzstan, Sarygulov potentially has
sufficient resources to propagate his views. Tengrism, according to
Sarygulov, is the genuine religion of the Kyrgyz and helped the people
to survive throughout the centuries. In his interpretation, Tengrism
promotes an anti-capitalist lifestyle and is a natural response to the
problems caused by globalization: "The time has come to get rid of
external influences to lift barriers, the inferiority complex, and
centuries of humiliation" (Slovo Kyrgyzstana, July 22).
Kyrgyzstan's communists have embraced Sarygulov's ideas. Anarbek
Usupbayev, secretary of the Kyrgyz Communist Party, sees resilient
similarities between values of Tengrism and communism, such as social
justice and equality (Bely parohod, May 31; Moya stolitsa novosti,
November 9). Usupbayev also tried to draw parallels between Tengrism
and the Manas epic, which he referrers to as the "Kyrgyz Bible."
Supporters of Tengrism do not deny that as a national doctrine, it will
represent mainly pan-Turkic and even pan-Kyrgyz views.
Some Kyrgyz experts see Tengrism as an idea developed to resist Islamic
feelings among the Kyrgyz public (Obshchestvenny reiting, November 24).
Anara Abdynasyrova, a philosophy scholar, argues that Tengrism is
unable to coexist peacefully with Islam, the dominant religion in
Kyrgyzstan. Other scholars warn that a clash between Sarygulov's
doctrine and Islamic clergy in Kyrgyzstan is inevitable if Tengrism is
further popularized. Kyrgyz Prime Minister Felix Kulov commented,
"Today there are many different prophets' who invent new religions.
For instance, Tengrism. Yes, it is interesting, but this is history and
has nothing in common with modern life" (Megapolis.kg, December 5).
According to some observers, since Islam in Kyrgyzstan is generally
moderate and the percentage of Muslims is low compared with neighboring
Central Asian states, the principles of Tengrism might gain some
popularity. In the recent years the term has gradually entered everyday
use: it is discussed in the mass media and Internet forums. However,
given the number of failed attempts at formulating a state ideology,
the Kyrgyz public tends to be skeptical of any new ideology project.
Similar efforts to revive Tengrism ideals are evident in Kazakhstan and
some parts of Russia. In February 2005 the French Institute for Central
Asian Studies sponsored a regional colloquium in Almaty on the topic,
"Tengrism as a New Factor in the Construction of Identity"
(Centrasia.ru, February 26).
Although Sarygulov has few supporters of his national doctrine
proposal, today he is the only self-declared ideologist in Kyrgyzstan.
Akayev tended to maneuver between various projects on Kyrgyz state
ideology, but most of his initiatives were short-lived. The lessons
learned from Akayev's search for a unifying state ideology demonstrate
that with large Russian and Uzbek minorities living on the territory of
Kyrgyzstan and hundreds of thousands of Kyrgyz labor migrants residing
in Russia and Kazakhstan, pursuing any policy that discriminates
against ethnic minorities is risky for the Kyrgyz government.
An interesting article, but we've heard no more since the fall of
Akayev. Kyrgyzstan has the advantage of having a weak social
attachment to Islam and Turkey has the advantage of being an
ever-increasing pluralistic society - who knows, maybe It'll take of
one day.
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