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majkes1
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Topic: Communism or Capitalism Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 17:24 |
Where would You prefer to live: in communist or in capitalist country? Which of two evils is less dangerous or simply better for the people?
Personally I don't like both.
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Maharbbal
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Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 20:41 |
Hi,
For me I have no doubts: capitalist. Although a good friend of mine went
to where-ever-stan in the South of USSR and still claims he has never
seen people looking so happy. So I'm maybe a selfish materialist who
can't understand what "collective-freedom" is...
Bye.
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pikeshot1600
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Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 21:15 |
Originally posted by majkes1
Where would You prefer to live: in communist or in capitalist country? Which of two evils is less dangerous or simply better for the people?
Personally I don't like both.
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It is unlikely that there is a form of political economy more discredited than communism. Capitalism, warts and all, wins hands down.
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Emperor Barbarossa
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Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 21:33 |
I agree with pikeshot, all examples of communism have basically failed miserably. Some of the communist countries had more poor than capitalist countries.
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Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 22:04 |
Neither, I'd rather have market socialism (a market economy with co-ops and government corporations instead of private corporations). Planned economies only work during crisis periods (like a major war, or massive depression).
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Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 22:18 |
Better dead than red.
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Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 22:28 |
Gotta go with the capitalism, although I do believe that it presents serious moral and ethical issues.
On a side note, I often hear people say, "Well, real communism hasn't been tried yet." Well, all I have to go on is the "fake" communism that's been tried, and I can't tell you I'm all that pleased with it. Further, if real people haven't tried it yet, it might have been because they thought that it wouldn't really work; not that what they came up with was any better .
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Maziar
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Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 22:56 |
neither capitalism nor cummonism, but a mix of them both. i find both are extrem, why to choose only between black or white? grey is a color too.
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Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 23:30 |
extreme capitalism is the best for one's economy.
the us is not capitalist enough.
we should erase all the trade barriers, minimize the tax rate, get rid of all government interventions, privatize all the state corporations, and get rid of most of the taxes.
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Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 23:53 |
"In USSR you are like a lion that has a piece of meat everyday, but yet you are under bars"
"In America you can roam free, you won't get a piece of meat every day, but when you do it can be grandiose"
Approximate translation from a Soviet artist (whose name I dont know)
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Posted: 08-Apr-2006 at 23:59 |
Originally posted by Sino Defender
extreme capitalism is the best for one's economy.
the us is not capitalist enough.
we should erase all the trade barriers, minimize the tax rate, get rid of all government interventions, privatize all the state corporations, and get rid of most of the taxes.
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I totally agree, except with maybe getting rid of most taxes. A lot yes, but over 50% probably not. Spending I think should just be brought down to non deficit levels when possible, I really wouldn't say now is one of those times given that we are at war unfortunately.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 00:40 |
I don't think that true communism would ever be able to happen. Humans are far too greedy by nature and thats also why there needs to be laws on Capitalisum so the 'presidents' of the companies wouldn't turn a blind eye to things such as child labor and unions.
But as of now no true communism has happened and most child labor issues are a thing of the past I would most defenitaly want to live in a capitalist nation so I could always have the chance to make a better life for myself.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 02:24 |
but the capital gain tax has to be got rid of. there are no capital tax in many countries including hong kong. u know how hard it is to stock traders when they have to give 1/3 of the gain to the government, but get nothing back when the stocks go down.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 02:33 |
Mixed economies are historically the most succesful for developed countries.
Extreme capitalism is generally bad for poor countries - look at the experiment in Argentina, everything went horribly bad. Extreme communism is bad for everyone, but sometimes, having an economy with a big involvement from the state can really help a less developed country to catch up quickly. Look at Taiwan, it may not be communist, but it has an absolutely huge amount of state owned business - among the highest in the world - and it built up its economy very well. Same with China, Singapore, etc.
Once a country becomes very developed, it is good to cut back on state involvement and allow the economy to grow naturally, but it is still best to have a mixed economy to some degree.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 03:14 |
So if a handful of multinational corporations control each industy(whether it's food, pharmaceuticals, electronics, communications, automobiles, military, or energy) as they control each indutry's flow and application of resources, labor condition/relation, finnance, and the market itself, and they keep merging or buy out smaller companies to the point of some of them controlling multiple industries in multiple countries, and they also own the media to either distract or frighten the mass to keep them either content or divided, individual uniqueness/creativity is replaced by preference between Coke or Pepsi, Whopper or Big Mac, less rights means cheaper labor and more conflict/violence leads to more confusion and comsumption, ultimately more profit, is that a Capitalism or Communism?
Whatever it is I want theother one.
P.S. Black and White are not Colors but dark or light, hence complements all Colors. - 2D Comp. 101
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 05:27 |
Originally posted by Maziar
neither capitalism nor cummonism, but a mix of them both. i find both are extrem, why to choose only between black or white? grey is a color too. |
I agree.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 06:33 |
Class distinction, social injustice... I believe these are the result of the Capitalist economy.
Turkey was never a Socialist country, but its economy was planned according to statist principles.
Statism was abandoned here in '50s.
All capital owners invest their money in Istanbul, so Eastern provinces remain poor.
Uneducated and poor people of Eastern Turkey immigrate to big cities.
Since they don't have the qualities for a stable job, they become criminals to survive.
Our social structure will collapse if we don't leave free market policy in economics.
So...
Capitalism
Not: Zaman makinesiyle meşe odunu getirin.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 14:19 |
I would probably live in communism if it was possible but man has
dirtied that theory with his experiments. The state was still ruled by
an elite who ate caviar, had private flats, rode elite cars the common
man was even not allowed to buy. The elite in communiusm that man has
experimented with is even smaller then in capitalism, so i don't see
the logical argument that communists give for hating capitalism - a
tiny elite who represses workers. Communist elite composes of maybe 1-3
men who really have anything to say, and mostly they end up killing
their own citizens and promoting ultra-nationalism.
Capitalism is sick aswell, but maybe man isn't smart enough to create
anything more evolved in social and economical terms. When you look at
it, every system is exploitation, man needs it in his heart. I am noit
saying it is right, but.... well... it just is this way.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 15:16 |
Originally posted by edgewaters
Mixed economies are historically the most succesful for developed countries.
Extreme capitalism is generally bad for poor countries - look at the experiment in Argentina, everything went horribly bad. Extreme communism is bad for everyone, but sometimes, having an economy with a big involvement from the state can really help a less developed country to catch up quickly. Look at Taiwan, it may not be communist, but it has an absolutely huge amount of state owned business - among the highest in the world - and it built up its economy very well. Same with China, Singapore, etc.
Once a country becomes very developed, it is good to cut back on state involvement and allow the economy to grow naturally, but it is still best to have a mixed economy to some degree.
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not really. argentina has never had complete free trade, and it's got lots of state corporations, lots of taxes, and too much government intervenetion.
a true extreme capitalism would be hong kong. free trade, low tax rate, almost no government intervention whatsoever. it was like that when it was poor in the 50's, and now it's one of the richest economies in the world on a per capita basis.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 15:50 |
One is brother of the other with two different names, I would say I really wish I was born in Stone Age era.
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