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ArmenianSurvival
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Topic: Does anyone know... Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 15:57 |
... if it is possible to get decent weapons/combat training
without actually joining the army (in California)? Is this possible...
and if so, is it legal? Any suggestions or comments will be helpful. So
far I have only found centers in far-flung places or centers which are
directly affiliated with the army.
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Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 18:19 |
Well, I think there are some militias in...some midwestern state, Montana? Michicgan?, or something you could join. You could also buy army manuals, or a gang! Although I've heard some gangs send guys to join the army so they come back with urban fighting techniques...kinda scary!
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Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 19:21 |
Originally posted by Adalwolf
Well, I think there are some militias in...some midwestern state, Montana? Michicgan?, or something you could join. |
Hmmm. I had found a pretty good-looking academy in Florida which
teaches all sorts of stuff about combat from close quarter fighting to
defensive driving to sniping. Their instructors were all former
servicemen and they were all pros in their field of specialty. I don't
know if I can go to another state to train though!
Originally posted by Adalwolf
You could also buy army manuals, |
Thats a good idea, although I'd much rather prefer to be trained hands-on by a professional.
Originally posted by Adalwolf
or a gang! Although I've heard some gangs send guys to join the army so
they come back with urban fighting techniques...kinda scary! |
Yea I really don't like gangs, especially the ones in L.A., many
of which are based on ethnic lines. You're right about gangs sending
guys to the army to come back with fighting skills.... Neo-Nazis have
sent thousands of their followers to the army and subsequently to Iraq,
because they said that in the upcoming "race war" the infantryman will
be the most valuable soldier, because he will be the one going
door-to-door to kill all the lesser races
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Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 20:57 |
Illegally, you can get anything if you have money and connections.
I am not sure about arm control policies in US. Don't you have the right to bear arms? I mean, the news said that the student responsible for Virgina shootout purchased the weapons pretty easily? And the purchase was legal, right?
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Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 21:40 |
Yes some firearms are available to anyone with a
license. I want to learn how to use these arms from professionals, and
also how to use other arms which are used in wartime situations, as well as basic skills I can use in wartime.
Basically, I want to be trained like a soldier without actually having to join the army.
Edited by ArmenianSurvival - 13-Aug-2007 at 21:41
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Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 11:19 |
Why on earth would you want that.
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Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 11:32 |
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Why on earth would you want that. |
Concur.
Seems a little scary that..Are you preparing for a war on American soil or something? Join the NRA, they have training for civilians all the time...
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Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 11:39 |
Join one of those militias you have.
Why is it American's are so scared of their government? Maybe Europeans are simply complacent, but Yanks seem convinced they need to have weapons in case government gets taken over by fascists/communists.
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Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 12:03 |
Some self-defense sport are very very close to the real stuff. Well you'd be trained for closed quarter combat more than open field warfare, but then again how likely is it for you to fight in the trenches of Montana. Take Krav Maga for instance, it is based on the Israelis' experience and some courses are really hard core. Ultimately you could spend some times in their training camps and become a real urban warrior, but then again why would you want to do that?
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Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 14:03 |
Yes. Its called the National Guard.
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Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 15:33 |
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Yes. Its called the National Guard. |
Nope. The national guard is being deployed in Iraq, not all of it, but it is being spread thin, like the rest of the army.
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Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 15:35 |
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Originally posted by Aelfgifu
Why on earth would you want that. |
Concur.
Seems a little scary that..Are you preparing for a war on American soil or something? Join the NRA, they have training for civilians all the time... |
Its for when the Chinese invade, or the government becomes intolerable, which it almost is...
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Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 16:33 |
Originally posted by Parnell
Why is it American's are so scared of their government? Maybe Europeans
are simply complacent, but Yanks seem convinced they need to have
weapons in case government gets taken over by fascists/communists. |
Who said I wanted training to protect myself from my government?
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
Why on earth would you want that. |
If you really must know.... a lot of it is just for general
knowledge/ general skills. And the other aspect of it is the distant
chance that I might volunteer for service should Armenia be attacked
(which
seems very likely in the next few years). I'm not saying ya I'm
definitely going or anything... I would really have to think about it,
I would be 50/50 on it. But if I did decide to go I would be a lot more
useful if I had basic training. I didn't want to go into my reasons for
training but apparently everyone thinks I'm some kind of paranoid Yank
who is afraid of the taxman or some unknown threat.
The more ideas you guys have about my original inquiry, the merrier. Keep them coming.
Edited by ArmenianSurvival - 14-Aug-2007 at 22:19
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Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 07:01 |
Get a self help book. Or martial arts training. or both!
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Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 11:48 |
Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival
but apparently everyone thinks I'm some kind of paranoid Yank who is afraid of the taxman or some unknown threat.
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I shall not pretend the thought did not cross my mind, but I did hold my judgement until I had heard your arguments. In spite of common prejudice on Yanks, even they do generally not consider combat training necessary to battle civil servants... You must admit the question had great possibility to come across a bit strange. So I was really just interested in the why.
If, heavens forbid, Armania is attacked (by whom, by the way? my knowledge on that part of the world is somewhat restricted...) and you wish to join, would you not be trained by the Armanian government?
I do know nothing about weapons training, but perhpas it would be interesting to look into bush-survival trips or something like that? There are bound to be some clubs organising trips to the wild where you have to make fire with sticks, find tubers for dinner without poisoning yourself, and cook in a tin can? And you can do the waepons in some shooting range club...
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Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 11:57 |
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
I do know nothing about weapons training, but perhpas it would be interesting to look into bush-survival trips or something like that? [/QUOTE
Bush survival trips would come in handy for everbody I think nowadays.. The further away from Iraq and America t |
Bush survival trips would come in handy for everbody I think nowadays.. The further away from Iraq and America the better
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Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 14:50 |
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Get a self help book. Or martial arts training. or both! |
Aren't self-help books for depressed people or something? Martial arts would be good.... maybe Judo.
Originally posted by Aelfgifu
I do know nothing about weapons training, but perhpas it would be
interesting to look into bush-survival trips or something like that?
There are bound to be some clubs organising trips to the wild where you
have to make fire with sticks, find tubers for dinner without poisoning
yourself, and cook in a tin can? And you can do the waepons in some
shooting range club... |
Ya a survival book would be good for general knowledge. I'll just keep watching more Man vs. Wild episodes Do you guys have that show in Europe.... you should, the host is a Brit.
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Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 15:18 |
I trained at the weekend for six months in the parachute regiment (TA) for if ever that day comes. I left when they started more actively seeking out "volunteers" for Iraq - oh aye! not I.
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Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 03:57 |
There are quite a few self defense firearm training and tactical training places throughout the U.S. I'm sure California is loaded with these establishments. A lot of those ex special op 4 weapon combat master people live in California. You might just want to google it, with the right keywords including your area I'm sure you'll find plenty. Every place in the U.S. has a gun club you could check there too. They might have bulletin boards with what you are looking for. You'll need to go through the legal and training aspect if you want to actually carry a gun CCW or whatever concealed. Not sure you can do the sub machine courses unless your in a related field. You can learn edge weapon combat techniques though.
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Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 04:08 |
...Why do you want to learn how to use a firearm, anyway? What reason could you have? You didn't specify one. Slightly seedy, I may add...
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