Your opinions about War in Iraq...

Oh no, pekau! You have no idea what you have unleashed!

You are going to get some amazing replies I am going to check fairly often to see what some coocks have to say on the subject.

Haha I voted "Death to western invaders".. I wouldn't necessarily have phrased it that way, but why not ;)

This will be a great shock to the conspiracy theorists, but the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq was not about oil, or Israel, or the Jewish lobby, or the neoconservative agenda -although these were all factors.

Grim Reaper, you do your leadership a disservice. I shall briefly outline why you do so, and why the excuses for the war were all invalid.

1. Weapons of Mass Destruction
Well, we all now KNOW that this was made up, and that no weapons ever existed. However, it was also obvious preceding the war. America would not attack a country with nuclear weapons, especially if the leader had nothing to lose. This is amply demonstrated by the current North Korea situation. Israel, ironically, is widely known to have an advanced nuclear weapons program. It is also widely believed to have biological and chemical weapons.

2. Saddam as a threat to stability in the region
This is simply not true. As far as regional leaders go Saddam was one of the more level headed, and also one of the more benevolent as we shall soon see. Iraq went to war with Iran as champion of many middle eastern nations against its expansionist policies and for encouraging terrorism amongst the kurds. Saddam went to war with Kuwait because it was:
a) selling oil at a price intended to economically detriment its neighbours, against prior agreements
b) stealing oil from Iraqi reserves
c) Iraq viewed Kuwait as Iraqi territory, as set out in the original charter

Saddam even asked America whether they would protest, to which the respons was: "We have no interest in middle eastern affairs."

3. Saddam was funding or encouraging terrorism, possibly including 9-11
This is blatantly false. Saddam was a purely secular leader who did everything in his power to discourage radical islam. This was primarily because the shi'ah majority were liable to topple his regime to install an islamic leader if radical islam was to take a hold.

4. Saddam was an evil tyrant
This excuse was only brought up after scrutiny befell all the others. While whether Saddam was an evil ruler is open to interpretation he was certainly not the worst in the area. We now know that Iran's leader is alot more radical. Israel's internal and foreign policies are certainly alot more evil. I would also go as far as to say Bush is more evil. Saddam Hussein, in fact, was awarded a human rights award from the UN for furthering education and women's rights in Iraq. I cannot excuse all his actions, but the fact that he is the only leader in the history of the state of Iraq which has actually managed to hold it together may account for his ruthlessness. I would also like to say that the Kurds he killed are the ones who attempted to kill him. Iran was long funding and arming the kurds to destabalise Iraq.

Grim, Saddam was also not a Muslim, as you may have noted. He was also, in terms of fighting radical Islam, America's greatest hope in the region. No doubt you will say - Israel is more useful, but all it manages to do is create more terrorism.

I would like to now address the raid on the Iranian consulate. Is that not an act of war? Does anyone have much information about it, or theories as to what Iran's response will be.

Originally posted by The Grim Reaper The invasion of Iraq had everything to do with 9-11. Iraq and Saddam Hussein did not have anything to do with 9-11, but that fateful day changed American foreign policy forever. Blame the war in Iraq on Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda -not America. It was a direct reaction to the Arabist-led Islamist threat.

The Grim Reaper, What you have written above is extremely unfair to the people of Iraq. If it was your own family being killed or raped, would you still have been able to write such an unfair comment? I hope you do not just react to my post and consider it first. Unbelievable amount of people are actually dying every day in Iraq. It is not a TV game or a movie.It is really happening. Real people, real lifes. Try to put yourself in thier situation just for a moment. Just think about the emotions and feelings of people living in a hell like that.

Al Qaeda is an imaginary creation of American government and does not exist. It is always fear and anger that rulers instil in their people in order to control , USA is not an exception.

PS , (added later) Sorry Mortaza and Zaitsev, you must have posted when I was writing this post. I did not mean to ignore your posts.


Edited by omshanti - 13-Jan-2007 at 01:35

Originally posted by Mixcoatl How can one be born muslim?

Originally posted by omshanti The Grim Reaper, What you have written above is extremely unfair to the people of Iraq.

Oh really? How is it unfair? Did the United States attack the Arabs or did the Arabs attack America? Do you think the Americans would have given a rat's ass about Saddam and the Arab street if 19 Arabs hadn't declared war against the United States?

 

Originally posted by omshanti If it was your own family being killed or raped, would you still have been able to write such an unfair comment?

 

1. My comment was not unfair �it only appears that way to you.

 

2. If a handful of cavemen from my community got it in their heads that God was telling them to attack the most powerful nation, the most advanced military on earth �then you had better believe that I am going to condemn them instead of dancing in the streets handing out candy!

 

3. You don't know me so don't make any harsh judgements about me! I do not condone the murders and rape of innocent Iraqis. I do not condone nor support the occupation of Iraq. I do not want the US military to stay there one minute longer and I realize that the invasion of Iraq was perhaps, the greatest blunder in American history. And I also realize that none of this would ever had happened if the radical Islamists and Arab nationalists had not been testing the limits of America's patience time and time again: the Beirut bombings, the bombing of the USS Cole, the bombings in Saudi Arabia of American soldiers, the bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the taking of American hostages in Iran �how much more did they think they could push the Americans? 9-11 was the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

Originally posted by omshanti I hope you do not just react to my post and consider it first.

 

I don't need to consider anything. Why don't  you consider this from the American perspective?

 

I am pissed off that the Iraqis die and are raped because of the Arab nationalists like Saddam and Qaddafi and because of the Islamist radicals like bin Laden � I place all the blame squarely on the Arab street.

 

This is not some conspiracy. I live in America. I have Muslim friends and my girlfriend is half-Palestinian. And, life was a lot different for Arabs and Muslims before 9-11. Simple as that.

 

Originally posted by omshanti   Unbelievable amount of people are actually dying every day in Iraq.

 

Those people are dying because of Al Qaeda, because of bin Laden, because of the Islamist. Do you ever think about that? Do you ever think, "Hey! If those bastard terrorists hadn't attacked America - then the Iraqis and Afghanis wouldn't be getting bombed today!"

 

If you were 5 feet nothing and weighed 100 pounds �would you pick a fight with the biggest, scariest man in the room? Would you?? Or would you think twice?

 

I hope that the Islamists and Al Qaeda have learned their lesson. Muslims die and Muslim women get raped in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Chechnya, Palestine �all thanks to these idiot radicals! Do you ever think about that?

 

 

Originally posted by omshanti   It is not a TV game or a movie.It is really happening. Real people, real lifes.

 

Yeah, and all these people would not be dying, and Americans would not have a negative image of Arabs if not for one, Osama bin Laden.

 

Originally posted by omshanti   Try to put yourself in thier situation just for a moment. Just think about the emotions and feelings of people living in a hell like that.

 

Did they not live in the same Hell before the invasion? Was life in Saddam-ruled Iraq, rosy??

 

Did Al Qaeda think about that before they initiated war against the most powerful nation on earth? Did the Arabs think of that before they started jumping for joy when the places hit the WTC?

 

Originally posted by omshanti   Al Qaeda is an imaginary creation of American government and does not exist. It is always fear and anger that rulers instal in their people in order to control , USA is not an exception.

 

Osama bin Laden is an imaginary creature and does not live and breathe in the remote areas of Pakistan?

 

Stop with the conspiracy theories already.

 

 

 

Originally posted by The Grim Reaper Oh really? How is it unfair? Did the United States attack the Arabs or did the Arabs attack America? Do you think the Americans would have given a rat's ass about Saddam and the Arab street if 19 Arabs hadn't declared war against the United States?

 

So attack Saudi Arabia.  Most of the Sept-11 people were from there not Iraq.  Or is it "attack the arab that's most convenient.."

Originally posted by Adalwolf Well said Grim, well said.