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Topic: Would you Adam & Eve it? Posted: 11-Aug-2005 at 21:08 |
Dinosaurs in Eden
Paul Harris in Eureka Springs, Arkansas Sunday May 22, 2005 The Observer
The razor-toothed Tyrannosaurus rex, jaws agape, loomed ominously over the gentle Thescelosaurus, looking for plants to eat. Admiring the museum diorama were old and young visitors, listening on headphones to a stentorian voice describing the primeval scene.
But the Museum of Earth History is a museum with a controversial difference. To one side, peering through the bushes, are Adam and Eve. The display is not an image of the Cretaceous. It is Paradise. 'They lived together without fear, for there was no death yet,' the voice intoned about Man and Dinosaur.
Nestling deep in the Ozark mountains of Arkansas, in the heart of America's Bible Belt, this is the first dinosaur museum to take a creationist perspective. Already thousands of people have flocked to its top-quality exhibits which mix high science with fundamentalist theology that few serious scientists accept.
The museum is riding a wave of creationist influence in America. Creationism, which holds that the Earth is just a few thousand years old and the biblical account of Genesis is fact, is central to a rash of furious arguments across America. From school boards in Kansas to elections in Pennsylvania, the 'debate' between creationism and evolution has become a political hot potato.
Even as America's scientists make advances in palaeontology, astronomy and physics that appear to disprove creationism, Gallup surveys have shown that about 45 per cent of Americans believe the Earth was created by God within the past 10,000 years. It is not just creationism either. Last week NBC's Dateline current affairs programme, equivalent to the BBC's Newsnight, investigated miracles. It concluded some could be real. It is hard to imagine Jeremy Paxman taking this stance.
That wellspring of popular belief, and the political clout that comes with it, is the inspiration behind the museum. It is not interested in debating with mainstream science. It simply wants to represent the view of a significant slice of America. 'We want people to see that finally they have something that addresses their beliefs, to show that we do have a voice,' said Thomas Sharp, business director of Creation Truth, the religious group that co-founded the museum.
No expense was spared. The fossil casts, which range from a Triceratops skull to an 18ft-long Albertosaurus (a relative to T. rex), could easily grace London's Natural History Museum. Plans for a much bigger museum in Dallas are advanced. 'We would love to open in the United Kingdom if the right partner showed up,' Sharp said.
The museum forms part of a Bible-based theme park in Eureka Springs; the car park is full of cars and coaches from all over the country. To enter the museum is to explore a surrealistic parallel world. Biblical quotes appear on displays. The first has dinosaurs, alongside Adam and Eve, living in harmony. The ferociously fanged T. rex is likely to be a vegetarian. Then comes the Fall of Man and an ugly world where dinosaurs prey on each other and the first extinctions occur. The destruction of the dinosaurs is explained, not by a comet striking the Earth 65 million years ago, but by the Flood. This, the museum says, wiped out most of the dinosaurs still alive and created the Grand Canyon and huge layers of sedimentary rock seen around the world.
Some dinosaurs survived on Noah's ark. One poster explains that Noah would have chosen juvenile dinosaurs to save space. An illustration shows two green sauropods in the ark alongside more conventional elephants and lions. The final exhibit depicts the Ice Age, where the last dinosaurs existed with woolly mammoths until the cold and hunting by cavemen caused them to die out.
Scientists dismiss such claims as on a par with believing in Atlantis. Yet the museum is unlikely to be seen as a major threat to mainstream science. It was put in the heart of an area where Christian attractions are a mainstay of the local economy.
It was built in co-operation with the 'New Holy Land' theme park which re-created the biblical Middle East in the Ozarks. A huge statue of Christ, the largest in North America, looms over Eureka Springs. The site is the setting for The Great Passion Play, where each night in a 4,500-strong arena the last days of Christ are acted out. The play has attracted more than 7.2 million people.
But creationism is seeking to become more influential in other parts of the country. In Kansas the state school board recently held public hearings on the validity of evolution and the teaching of 'Intelligent Design' (ID) in classrooms. The hearings were boycotted by scientists who believed they were rigged against evolutionists. The theory of ID holds that the world is so complex it must have been created, and has been dubbed 'creationism lite' by its critics. Kansas is now expected to recommend schools to include ID-friendly material in its science courses this summer.
In Pennsylvania, the issue dominated an election in the town of Dover after the school board decided to include mention of ID in its science classes. A vote last week between anti-evolution and pro-evolution candidates ended in an electoral tie.
Creationism has found one high-level voice. President George Bush famously proclaimed: 'The jury is still out on evolution.' A CBS survey late last year showed that 45 per cent of Bush voters wanted creationism taught in schools instead of evolution, compared to 24 per cent of voters for John Kerry. 'Under the Bush presidency, we are clearly able to get a lot more done,' Sharp said.
The Museum of Earth History may be the first dinosaur museum of its kind. It is not likely to be the last.
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Posted: 11-Aug-2005 at 22:53 |
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 01:04 |
There is definately a part of America that should be severed from the rest and let to die...Arkansas is definately part of that gangrenous limb.
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 03:45 |
Another concept outside of all reason and logic.
Unfortunately a concept representing a dangerous progression of misinformation that is being taught to the children raised on this. Without correct information - their world view will be skewed and many will have trouble untwisting it throughout their adult lives - making all their decisions suspect - is this a decision based on fact and reason - or based on the primitive mythology they were taught as a child.
Intelligent Design is one of the worst intrusions of religion into the classroom ever and as it represents only one religion's ideas it is also unconstitutional unless we include the creation mythology of every religion as a valid alternative to evolution. Kronos and Tiamat will be thrilled.
How big was that Ark again? There are specific dimensions in the Bible and I don't think that it leaves room for all the animals - let alone all the dinosaurs.
As to the original question - would I live naked with a babe in a garden paradise where everything was provided and all we had to do all day was lounge around finding new ways to entertain ourselves? Hmmm - let me think about that...
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 05:47 |
They better stay out of England! it's people like them that make us religious people look bad.
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 11:51 |
I propose a few new museums:
1. The Flat Earth Museum in Birmingham, Alabama
2. The Astronomy Museum in Jackson, Mississippi. This museum shows the stars to be fixed points of light on the celestial arch which is a close distance to Earth.
3. The Museum of World History in Little Rock, Arkansas. This museum does not have any mention of China and the Far East, most of Europe, Sub-saharan Africa, Australia or the Americas, because these regions were not mentioned in the Bible. To explain how a museum could be constructed in an area which is not on the map, a miracle has been proclaimed, so the museum doubles up as a place of pilgrimage.
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 12:13 |
Originally posted by Decebal
3. The Museum of World History in Little Rock, Arkansas. This museum does not have any mention of China and the Far East, most of Europe, Sub-saharan Africa, Australia or the Americas, because these regions were not mentioned in the Bible. To explain how a museum could be constructed in an area which is not on the map, a miracle has been proclaimed, so the museum doubles up as a place of pilgrimage.
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I honestly believe you could sell that idea.....
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 14:22 |
Great story. Both funny and disturbing.
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 14:48 |
Originally posted by Tobodai
There is definately a part of America that should be severed from the rest and let to die...Arkansas is definately part of that gangrenous limb. |
Yeah, but do not try to endorse us those territories
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 14:54 |
I knew all along The Flinstones wasn't lying to me..
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 16:09 |
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 21:03 |
Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer
Originally posted by Tobodai
There is definately a part of America that should be severed from the rest and let to die...Arkansas is definately part of that gangrenous limb. |
Yeah, but do not try to endorse us those territories |
How about it remain a buffer state/prison colony? Then we can just build a big fence around it and both Mexico and US can send all the bad peopel there!
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Posted: 12-Aug-2005 at 22:29 |
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Posted: 13-Aug-2005 at 03:21 |
Originally posted by Anujkhamar
They better stay out of England! it's people like them that make us religious people look bad.
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There already there apparently, seems to be a protestant and muslim thing, so you know who to avoid.
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Arrrgh!!"
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Posted: 13-Aug-2005 at 16:37 |
I am an American from Pennsylvania. We are a Northern state(unlike
Arkansas). I am not suprised the schoolboard tied because we have a
crazy conservative as one of our two senators. Suprised though that
people think that religion should be taught in schools though it has
been made clear by the Supreme Court that there should be a separation
of church and state.
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Posted: 13-Aug-2005 at 19:36 |
hey a fellow Pennsylvanian! Our state used to be so much better back in the Quaker days, but now with all these religious german and irish immigrants we have lost what made us the greatest state in the union. Our other senator isnt so good either, he is one of th etop pork barrel spenders in the senate...then we have Santorum who hopefully will loose his upcoming re-election.
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Posted: 13-Aug-2005 at 20:23 |
Spector isn't that bad, but I was talking about Santorum. It's nice to see somebody from the same state as me on the forum .
We did vote for Kerry, showing that we aren't that religious
conservative. Spector is a moderate, so he is ok. Santorum is to
"compasionate" conservative to represent a blue state. Why doesn't he
run in West Virginia ?
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Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 14:41 |
Actually he lives most of his time in a "summer home" in Virginia. probably because most Pennsylvanians hate him. He spends most of his time surrounded by whackos in a red state so it makes sense.
By the way, Santorum visited near my town for a book signing recently...just so you know my town is like 65%+homosexual and there were more protesters outside his limo than people buying his books!
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Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 14:57 |
Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. Perhaps they will chuck a unicorn in there for good measure later on.
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