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white knight 
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 Topic: Question on Viking BerserkerPosted: 26-Sep-2006 at 07:31 |
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yup, im here. thanks for the info guys, i learned a lot bout the vikings. (-:
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Posted: 03-Jan-2007 at 18:32 |
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Hey I noticed before that a lot of people were talking about how historically inaccurate the 13th warrior is and I was wondering what was inaccurate, besides the impossible interaction between the tartars and the viking? My teacher claims that the movie is pretty accurate, I dont want my class to be taught the wrong things, so can someone please help me on this?
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Adalwolf
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Posted: 04-Jan-2007 at 13:38 |
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Well, a lot of the armor the guys are wearing is wrong. I think the king, Wulfgar, I think, is wearing a chest plate, which I don't think was invented at the time the movie was supposed to take place. Also, one of the warriors was wearing a Roman gladiator helmet...why was that in there?! I thought the movie was a great action film, however.
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Posted: 04-Jan-2007 at 16:00 |
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Considering the contact the Vikings had with all of Europe and eastwards, I wouldnt be surprised to see ANY kind of armor or weapon amongst a party of Vikings. We have a certain idea about Viking armory, weaponry and clothings, but of course they used what they looted or came across. In 920, a metal helmet was very expensive - most Vikings used leather caps and leather armor.
Only the most wealthy could afford custom made equipment.
In reference to the movie, the first part including the funeral is a quite accurate depiction of Ibn Fadlans historical notes - and what makes it even better is the use of Scandinavian actors and language.
The ships were excellent done as I remember them.
The second part of the movie, onwards from the funeral, is strictly fictional and inspired from the Beowulf poem. The author Michael Crichton is trying to give it a plausibel twist as he replaces the Grendel moor-monster with a clan of surviving neanderthals (some 25.000 years) and that way it becomes inaccurate to the original storyline.
The movie kept me well entertained the whole way through, - they only drawback I can think of is that they made it 1,5 hours too short due to budgetcrises.
It was planned as a 3 hour movie - but was cut in half during the editing.
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Posted: 07-Apr-2007 at 11:51 |
....which got its name frm the Germanic Rugians (interesting tribe).
Rgen is an interesting island.
I would like to point out that while the Slavic pirates were feared by Scandinavian (and other european) peasnats, the Danes had no qualms about destroying the Slavic temple of Swietowit.
Most Slavic pirate settlements where havens for Scandinavian Vikings. Wolin is one of the most famous.
Other interesting pirates were the Norse-Gaels (Celto-Germans) and the Irish pirates...both viscious slavers. Edited by Hygelac - 07-Apr-2007 at 11:54 |
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Posted: 10-Apr-2007 at 13:13 |
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Vikings against mongols was not possible but vikings might be fighted other steppe nations(kipcakhs,pecheneks,magyars...).Vareg vikings in russia had fighted nomad nations |
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Posted: 10-Apr-2007 at 18:35 |
 PTSS from what exactly. All they did is let Mladic into Srebrenica, and allow thousands of innocent people to be murdered. I have no sympathy for a soldier sworn to uphold a code, with a gun in his hand as well just letting innocent people getting killed.
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Aelfgifu
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Posted: 11-Apr-2007 at 03:37 |
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Your insight is stunning. Feel free to judge others, why dont you? You do of course also believe that Germans in WWII did not become traumatised because they were on the 'wrong' side. Please, can you be any more short sighted?
Do you think the average common soldier was happily skipping along while this took place. They knew that things were bad, very bad, but they did not get the authority of the UN to act. They also did not have the backup to do so. They followed orders, and most of them still have nightmares about it.
Yes, they should have disobeyed a direct order. That is, however, not so easy for a trained soldier to do. They were betrayed by their commanders, blame them.
And it is especially these soldiers that get ptss. If they had managed to save these people, they would not have had anything to get traumatised by, do they. Feeling mortally guilty about something you could not really have helped is the mentally most damaging thing. Edited by Aelfgifu - 11-Apr-2007 at 03:39 |
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Posted: 11-Apr-2007 at 16:42 |
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They did have a choice. They acted up on immoral orders. Everyone has a choice to disobey. They could have done much more. Sure they have disorders due to being there. Nevertheless, the victim role is far from it, and I am not so sure that all of them feel mortally guilty about the incident either. There defiently are some that came out and talked about the wrongs in this, but not all have done so. They were positioned in the town to help, and most importantly defend these people, as that is the point of a safe haven. If they were there just to keep guard they would not have been armed, they could have just used security gurads for guarding premises.
Not all German soldiers did the dame thing either. The bulk of the infantry was a regular army that attacked the opposing side, they fought, they killed, and they were killed in due process. They should not feel to be on the "bad" side. They were not on the bad side. They fought for Germany not for Hitler. The ones in the various work and concentration camps are the ones that should feel guilty. The whole " I was just following orders" line can be used only to a certain extent. When peoples lives are at stake such excuses are worthless.
The German soldiers had a choice, they made it in the camps, just like they did, and in many other instances around the world.
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Posted: 11-Apr-2007 at 16:47 |
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I am not shortsighted. I am rather open minded. However, such instances are not excusable. And showing pitty on SS officer in Auschwitz just because he had PTSS is not the right path, nor is it in this instance either. A choice was clearly made. Not to mention that clearly Mladic would not have the fortitude to attack the UN Soldiers in such an open, and unconcealed manner. That would not help the Bosnain Serb strategy. He came in with a show of force, they caved in, and he got what he wanted the liqudation of thousands of innocents.
I am sorry but the souls that died did not have the choice to have PTSS, nor did the millions in the camps in WWII, or in China, ...
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Aelfgifu
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Posted: 12-Apr-2007 at 04:12 |
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Well, I cannot but agree, and the again, I can not agree... It was beyond doubt extremey bad business. And it went horribly wrong. But I remain to the fact that balming the individual soldiers has little use.
With the unbeatable power of hindsight, yes, they should have disobeyed their orders. But at the time, there and then, the matter was undoubtly less clear. I totally agree with you that orders are orders only goes so far as an excuse (not very far at all), but I am also of the opinion that breaking orders in such a situation is harder than it looks. They should never have had to make such a decision. When soldiers have to star making a decision to obey or disobey their orders, there is something seriously wrong with the leadership.
I guess the only excuse there is that they were only human, and not heroes. But then again, how many people can say they are?
I do not expect anyone to feel pity for them. But that does not make their trauma any less. I was just using them as an example: before you come to the point where you try to drive on the highway with your eyes closed, you are pretty f***ed up in the head, I'd say.
And I can feel pity on the Germans in WWII. Some were monsters, most were not. It is too easy to judge. I have never been in such a situation, who can say how I will react?
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