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Thegeneral
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Topic: Bill OReilly....A GOD?! Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 11:36 |
My point is because they don't bash Bush, they are considered unfair and not a good news station, while those that do attack Bush are considered better news stations, which is incorrect to believe.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 11:47 |
Originally posted by Thegeneral
My point is because they don't bash Bush, they are considered unfair and not a good news station, while those that do attack Bush are considered better news stations, which is incorrect to believe. |
Journalists are not supposed to be government cheerleaders. They are supposed to present both sides as fairly as they can (given that everyone does have biases).
Fox doesn't even bother to try. It is more like an old Soviet news agency than it is like Western journalism.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 14:22 |
Originally posted by edgewaters
Journalists are not supposed to be government cheerleaders. They are supposed to present both sides as fairly as they can (given that everyone does have biases).
Fox doesn't even bother to try. It is more like an old Soviet news agency than it is like Western journalism. |
Lol, sounds like you've been listening to O'Reilly because someone wrote into him and said that too. *sigh* But alas, it doesn't have any bit of truth. You might as well call America Nazi Germany.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 14:27 |
It's just bloody obvious. I'm sure alot of people have noticed. There's no appreciable difference in the aims or philosophy of the two that anyone can demonstrate, other than spewing a bunch of abstract catchphrases.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 18:23 |
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
Bill O'Reilly knows where its at. He gets the facts. He knows who is a yack and a quack. This is the no spin zone people!!!!! What is your opinion of this man...this great and majestic man!>!>!>!>!?!?!?! |
O'reilly is fairly moderate in my opinion, but is egotistical and entertainment. His views are based soley around getting his audience. Some of his approaches are laughable. For example he shuts off microphones with certain guests that say things he doesn't like who hes interviewing. He obviously knows basically what the guests are going to say but purposely gets nutty people to come on and then give him the opportunity to yell at them and shut them up. Its like jerry springer does the news.
Here is an example of his laughable reasoning:
He hates illegal immigrants (at least he wants his audience to think so)
Theres a bill being proposed that would make it a felony to aid illegals. The Catholic church is opposed. He argued with a bishop and said Jesus taught "to bow to caesar", meaning they are violating doctrine to oppose this bill. Now bear with me. This means that the church according to him should support EVERY bill. Not just laws, every proposed bill. So using his logic you could say that the church must support a bill which would outlaw religion and replace it with mandatory drug use. why? because its a proposed bill.
He's a tool.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 18:35 |
Originally posted by Thegeneral
Would you like to back up those opinions with actual facts? Or does going on a rant about a good news reporter make you feel more confident? |
I don't think you're watching close enough.
how is his show news? He almost completely ignores international issues. The whole fox network spends half their airtime focusing on: the peterson trial, the jackson trial or the aruba incident.
O'reilly invented a fake war on Christmas for ratings, and all he does is comb the country for freak incidents and blow them out of proportion. Like a judge letting a bad guy off the hook or a liberal teacher or something. Stuff that in a country of 300 million isn't worthy news, especially revisiting night after night.
His stuff is emotional reactionary garbage 50% of the time. I remember his opening bit last week. Here it is:
"If a man confessed to raping two American women - adults - do you believe that man would be sentenced to probation anywhere in this country? The answer of course is no, because if he did every women's group and every media outlet would demand the removal of the judge. Yet in Ohio, a man who confessed to orally raping a 5-year-old boy and an 11-year-old boy over and over was sentenced to probation by Judge John Connor. Was there an outcry by women's groups? No. What about the press? Most of the Ohio press defended the Judge. The politicians, well, most of them don't want any action against Connor. In Vermont we saw the same thing with Judge Edward Cashman who initially sentenced a man who raped a 6-year-old girl to 60 days in jail. Media outrage in Vermont? None. Political outrage? None. In fact soon after that story broke, the Vermont legislature voted down Jessica's Law with Democrats leading the way. Today in Texas, the Houston Chronicle is calling for "enlightened justice" for Andrea Yates, who brutally murdered her five little children. The Chronicle feels sorry for Yates and wants her in a mental institution instead of prison. If you are sensing a pattern here you are correct: children in America have been devalued. You can rape them and escape prison; you can kill them and receive compassion. American kids these days are targets. They have few defenders in the press, no political clout, and a society that is not engaged in protecting them."
http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID =727#1
Half the stuff he claims to be a new epidemic, is just invented. At any given time you can find stories which give the impression of a trend.
His entire show is dedicated to "judicial activists" and bad judges. He uses a few rare cases as basis for judges running wild. This is part of the conservative agenda he's pandering to which seeks to undermine the judicial branch. Check it out. His entire news show is about judges.
http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 21:32 |
Undermine the judicial branch? Do you know why he attacks a few certain judges? First of all you wont believe how many corrupt judges get away with things like this all the time. O'Reilly goes out there to expose as many of these corrupt officials as he can using the power of his television show, and he does a damn good job about it too.
You say he is underming the judical system? I have to disagree, He is doing the complete opposite. If anything he is that little nail up there trying to hold the (roof) where it is without it crashing down into a huge mess.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 21:53 |
No, that judge who let a rapist out and the rapist killed a person undermined the judiciary system. That judge that let a convicted sex offender out of jail after 60 days undermined tha judiciary system. Both of those O'Reilly exposed.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 21:57 |
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
Undermine the judicial branch? Do you know why he attacks a few certain judges? First of all you wont believe how many corrupt judges get away with things like this all the time. O'Reilly goes out there to expose as many of these corrupt officials as he can using the power of his television show, and he does a damn good job about it too.
You say he is underming the judical system? I have to disagree, He is doing the complete opposite. If anything he is that little nail up there trying to hold the (roof) where it is without it crashing down into a huge mess. |
Whatever good he might be doing is Canceled out by his use of disinformation and outright fabrication. Remember, all of this is on tape, And he is also aware that what he is saying is being recorded and scrutinized. He does what he knows will get the best ratings, Because he doesn't give a rats butt about anything else! when someone calls him on an untrue statement, he either ignores it, or blows it off with a so what attitude.
http://www.mediamatters.org
This is a site that has been calling him down regularly.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 22:50 |
Originally posted by prsn41ife
fox news channel is garbage.
it is not fair and balanced, everyone knows that, even hardcore neo cons admit that it is not fair and balance.
infact, its nicknames are Goerge Bush TV, and Republican TV.
fox news is probably the worst place to get your news from.
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Agreed. Now if we could only get the left to be a bit more honest about the many networks that favor it's particular brand of bias we might make progress toward a broader social understanding. Ah well, a guy can dream, can't he?
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Posted: 27-Mar-2006 at 01:09 |
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
Undermine the judicial branch? Do you know why he attacks a few certain judges? First of all you wont believe how many corrupt judges get away with things like this all the time. O'Reilly goes out there to expose as many of these corrupt officials as he can using the power of his television show, and he does a damn good job about it too.
You say he is underming the judical system? I have to disagree, He is doing the complete opposite. If anything he is that little nail up there trying to hold the (roof) where it is without it crashing down into a huge mess. |
No, he heavily pushes mandatory minimums and makes personal attacks against politicians that don't support such decisions. Mandatory minimums are just one in the many steps which enable legislature to outshadow the judicial. He does this because its a conservative viewpoint which is what most of his audience is.
He poorly represents judges. he gives the impression that they're all running amok and that what we really need is the level-headed congress to step in and take charge.
Originally posted by Thegeneral
No, that judge who let a rapist out and the rapist killed a person undermined the judiciary system. That judge that let a convicted sex offender out of jail after 60 days undermined tha judiciary system. Both of those O'Reilly exposed. |
Yes he exposes the guy, every night, for 3 weeks. Why? because the war on Christmas is passe and theres no celebrity trial to cover. He's all about ratings and the child-abuse thing is all the rage today. He even admits in his opening that he doesn't know past statistics, but "society doesn't value children today" and gives the impression this is something new. Hogwash. Wheres the evidence kids aren't valued today? Its emotional themed aimed at eliciting reactionary responses.
I certainly think those judges did the wrong thing and should be voted out. However if you watch his show or see his site he covers this issue to a deathly end. Check his site. All his talking points are about crazed judges. Theres little else in the news to cover, well that is which doesn't make bush look bad, so he covers this stuff. He grabs emotional stuff and blows it way out of proportion and beats it for weeks.
He's a hack. He had a vote on his show. The question was simple "should the o'reilly factor follow the Jackson trial?"
The audience almost unanimously voted "no". He said "well it's decided, I won't cover it". Guess what? A couple weeks later he'd spend 20 mins on it each night and cover it endlessly. He did this for 3 months.
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Posted: 27-Mar-2006 at 01:41 |
I should also toss in that only on the o'reilly show will you hear talks of
-boycott France
-boycott Canada
-possible boycott on Vermont
he's a crybaby. If a politician doesn't come on his show he dresses them down and says they're a coward. A boycott of Canada was concieved because they had two army deserters. Woah! Countries do this kind of stuff all the time and he nit picks to get a story. He is still embarassed that Jon Stewart interviewed Kerry and he didn't get to.
He considers himself a big name and a respected journalist, trouble is he's got a long way to go. He's won Peabodys....er Polks. Wait that was Inside edition...a tabloid show...after he left.
Let me ask this; when was the last time he covered somebody abused by the legal system. When did you see him rail against a judge who was too harsh or a law which was unfair? I can assure you this happens far more often in real life than judges letting murders and rapists off scott free.
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Posted: 27-Mar-2006 at 11:25 |
I'll go one the record stating that I would trust just about any Judge more than any politician currently elected, especially on issues of law and society. Judges produce results, politicians produce division and laws fat with pork for the benefit of their constituents solely so they can continue their career in legislature. A Judge only becomes an "activist" if he or she issues a decision some loudmouth doesn't like, on either side of the debate. Otherwise, they are not influenced by public opinion, as the nation's founding fathers intended and as it should be. One should always be wary when one branch of government wages war on another.
As for FOX, I regularly read their editorial page online and frequently find articles criticising the Bush administration. It's only natural, considering a vast majority of the country (and possibly the world) thinks he's incompetent. Bush supporters are simply mice (or sheep, if you will) following the piper into political oblivion and even obscurity.
But the pendulum will swing back the other way this November and the U.S. can begin healing from this current threat to liberty and our Constitution. Of course, conservatives will still whine about something or another but then, a recent longitudinal study (the second of its kind) suggests that we should expect it, since needy, whiny children tend to grow up to be conservative adults.
How to Spot a Baby Conservative (Toronto Star) - http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thes tar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c= Article&cid=1142722231554
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Posted: 27-Mar-2006 at 20:22 |
We will not be able to firmly judge a leader until at least 30 years after the presidency. I think Bush is making most of the right decesions.
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 00:14 |
Fox may be biased, but it isn't the only one. One of the msot dumbest things I see are "high minded" liberals reading papers liek the New York Times and ranting about how Fox is so biased.
Fox is not the only baised news source out there. Keep in mind that there are alot of liberal outlets that twist facts in the same way. Political tactics have alwasy been the same for the left and the right.
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 09:30 |
Very true. O'Reilly though has thought way ahead of you on that one though. WHy does he want to consider himself an independent.
--Also, your still in college. Do you have to deal with a lot of ranting liberal teachers?
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 12:09 |
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
Also, your still in college. Do you have to deal with a lot of ranting liberal teachers?
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Most teachers out there are liberal and in case you haven't been informed, education in general is a sign of progress (for both personal gain and society) and is therefore liberal. A "conservative" education would be one sorely lacking indeed, especially when religion takes the place of concepts people have yet to answer. Those teachers are only reflecting the views of the majority of the country. They are simply trying to teach their students common sense, not gross misconduct.
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 12:28 |
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We will not be able to firmly judge a leader until at least 30 years after the presidency. I think Bush is making most of the right decesions. |
Does the nation look upon Republican President Nixon favorably? No, because he's still considered a crook...and rightfully so. Bush, however, is closing in on Nixon's appallingly low approval ratings so he may have a chance yet at the worst this country has ever seen. Unfortunately, I have a grim feeling that Nixon's lawbreaking deeds are going to pale in comparison to Bush's once the veil of secrecy is lifted after his term, as it always is.
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 18:13 |
Originally posted by Dark Age
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
Also, your still in college. Do you have to deal with a lot of ranting liberal teachers?
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Most teachers out there are liberal and in case you haven't been informed, education in general is a sign of progress (for both personal gain and society) and is therefore liberal. A "conservative" education would be one sorely lacking indeed, especially when religion takes the place of concepts people have yet to answer.
Those teachers are only reflecting the views of the majority of the country. They are simply trying to teach their students common sense, not gross misconduct.
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I always find it amusing that republicans cry foul that the nations most educated are more often liberal....gee, maybe theres a reason for this!
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 18:18 |
Originally posted by lennel
Originally posted by Dark Age
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
Also, your still in college. Do you have to deal with a lot of ranting liberal teachers?
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Most teachers out there are liberal and in case you haven't been informed, education in general is a sign of progress (for both personal gain and society) and is therefore liberal. A "conservative" education would be one sorely lacking indeed, especially when religion takes the place of concepts people have yet to answer.
Those teachers are only reflecting the views of the majority of the country. They are simply trying to teach their students common sense, not gross misconduct.
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I always find it amusing that republicans cry foul that the nations most educated are more often liberal....gee, maybe theres a reason for this!
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