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Snafu
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Topic: Movie of the Mongols invasion Posted: 30-Apr-2006 at 03:19 |
There was also a movie called Genghis Khan that starred Omar Sharif as Temujin. This movie was even worse than the John Wayne movie. It didn't even try to follow historical facts.
Another old Soviet movie called Ilya Muromets (aka the Sword and the Dragon) featured Russians battling very Mongol-like barbarians called Tugars. As bad as the movie was at least the Russians had the sense to cast Asian actors for the Mongol roles. That's more than you can say for the American films.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 23:51 |
No plans yet, my wife and I are very busy this summer.
I love UB, so does Baadema.
Steve Segal dropped his plans for CK movie. He too, saw
the CK miniseries, as well as two CK movies, one from China
the other from Mongolia, he admitted that he was quite
out of place to play Khaan. He enjoyed the CK miniseries
most , but also gave credit to the two movies on CK.
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Clive
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SaikhaNBayar
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Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 09:20 |
Yes, i am from ulaan baatar. Are you planning to come here this summer? you know, this year is the 800th anniversary of Chingez Khaan's great Mongolian state.
Does any1 know what happened to Steven Sigals long waited and planned Chingez Khaan's movie?
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cliveersknell
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Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 23:56 |
I saw the BBC version of CK, but I still think
that the miniseries from China is superior to it.
The miniseries brought to the world, what is least known
about CK.
. His sufferings in his youth
. His humanity
. His wisdom
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Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 13:12 |
I have seen very good doc-dramas on TV but I think most of you or even all are from the states right??? here in UK they have shown quite a few doc-dramas on Mongols and GK...they all had real Mongol cast and the doc-dramas were in Mongolian with English subtitles...it felt weird watching that in Mongolian on BBC
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Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 09:29 |
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Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 00:16 |
Hi SaikhanBayar
The miniseries may have it's flaws but I think
the theme of it is excellent.
Westerners like myself used to brand CK as an arrogant
aggressor, but after watching the miniseries, I now agree
100% with my wife Baadema, that CK is more of a prophet
sent by Heaven to pacify, unify, and integrate a world in
perpetual conflict in the 12th century.
I agree that it is not a miniseries about the Mongol invasion of Europe.
Are you from Ulan Bataar? I used to do peace corps work
there.
best regards
Clive
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Posted: 22-Apr-2006 at 11:39 |
Originally posted by cliveersknell
Yessir! A combination of German/Spanish/Filipino and a native of Madison Wisconsin. my wife , Baadema is a Kharachin Mongol from China.
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Wow, you belong to a supreme race! Long live, westerners
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SaikhaNBayar
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Posted: 22-Apr-2006 at 08:44 |
btw, i didn't like the clothes used in the movie. "Wilder" than the real one at that time...
and in fact this movie is about chingez khaan's life, not the invasion of mongols into europe
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Posted: 22-Apr-2006 at 00:31 |
Yessir!
A combination of German/Spanish/Filipino and a native
of Madison Wisconsin.
my wife , Baadema is a Kharachin Mongol from China.
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Clive
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Posted: 21-Apr-2006 at 00:42 |
First of all, I am very happy that you, Tommy and others
both in the Republic of Mongolia and China enjoyed the
CK miniseries.
The theme song of the movie is very touching indeed.
But what touched me most throughout the movie was that
CK was combined his iron goal driven determination with
great humanity. This aspect Westerners , like myself
find it quite hard to understand.
. Keen memory
. Big heart like the eternal blue sky. Most commendable
is the way he treated his best friend Jamuqa.
. Sharp and clear observations
. Keen eye for talent
. No bias or hatred
It is no surprise that so many , irregardless of their
nationality, race or creed, flocked to his standard.
I was told a new miniseries on his famous grandson
Kublai is in the making.
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Clive
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Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 11:56 |
Okey, i don't really know about the different cultures inside china, but all i mean is there is no point of making china & mongols are one nation and i think we are going farther from the point of this topic...
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Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 11:16 |
No. I mean Hans in Northern China provinces(usually those places north of the Yangzte River), and hans people in southern China(south of the Yangzte River), they have different customs,eating different food,(Northern han may eat noodles and Chinese bun(made by flour , steamed), southern hans eating rice.
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Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 09:41 |
I'm sorry my geological knowledge is not that good, but u mean inner mongolians?
They might have different face, but not like difference between Mongol face and Chinese face?(or Han face i should say) . I think that people who say mongols uighhurs and tibetans are one nation along with China(han), they better start proving it from Tibets first, and then like Uighurs , Kazakhs, and Mongols..
More on, Mongols have very different culture and language than Han chinese, but the Northern chinese people u mentioned should have similiar with Han chinese... again i think most people wouldn't say mongols as chinese except some in china itself...
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Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 08:49 |
the face of the people of northern China may not same too. Then can you say that northern and Southern China is not one nation?
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Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 06:34 |
if u look at the faces of people of china and mongolia, you would see they ARE NOT and WERE NOT one nation, its like comparing japanese to europeans... but uighurs and tibetians (and kazaks) more lookalike mongols than chinese... but the human being were one nation before seperated to ethnic and tribes long time ago... it has many sides to think of it!
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Posted: 19-Apr-2006 at 10:36 |
Sorry . i made a mistake. Geronimo was the medicine man, but not the chief
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Posted: 19-Apr-2006 at 10:25 |
Yes, this feeling is interesting. I live in Hong Kong, I do not have such feeling. but many Chinese in the mainland have such feeling.It is because the history books of Communist China always state that"from ancient time"(They do not point out clearly how ancient)"China is a multi national nation", Huns , Mongols, Manchus, Tibet people and Uigher, as well as other minority ethnic groups are all the members of China. And under this idea, Gh became Chinese hero(although may not correct in my view) some Chinese historians consider the wars between Hans and Mongols or Hans and Manchus were only civil war between different ethnic group of China. But taiwan historians also have such idea. MMr Lo Hong Lam, an anti communist historian, even stated that the Manchus and Mongols had a same blood link with Hans, he stated that in ancient time, some Hans people moved north, into the steppe, they became the Mongols and manchus, so he stated that Manchus and Mongols did not invade China, only to come back to their ancient home.Many follow this idea. Hans people always had a strange feeling towards the Gk.The founder of the Ming dynasty also recognized Gk as the legitimate leader of China.In modern time, when inner mongolia region became part of China, and M<ongols became part of Chinese, this feeling becomes stronger. Apache Chief Geronimo fought against US , but today he was also recognized as a national hero. Right? One type of helicopter of Us was name as Apache. But many Apache warriors in 19 or even 20 century might not even recognized themselves as American. At that time. many American also did not recognized apach people as American. A Gual hero,who almost crushed Caesar, also recognized as the national hero of France, but today French really the sons daughters of the ancient Gaul?
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Posted: 19-Apr-2006 at 10:00 |
Originally posted by raygun
Interesting. In your opinion what do you think is relevant about Genghis Khan and his conquest of the Sung dynasty and the present day modern chinese unity in China?
Does the mongolians agree that Genghis Khan is a chinese hero? Does the average chinese on the street feels the same way?
I just don't understand the rationale in linking Genghis Khan and chinese nationalism.
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Absolutely none would agree with that in Mongolia. I don't understand why he's seen as chinese hero too!! But i wouldn't abnegate there are many chinese think him as Chinese hero, and i even met few japanese saying its possible that Chingez khaan was japanese
and i don't get why they are refusing to agree him as mongol, its said very clear in Secret history of Mongols
btw, i heard Buriyats? recently made movie about Chingez khaan as well... not sure its buriyats or ....
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