Atheists/Agnostics/Pagans/Kaffirs are better human beings

I can agree with you with most of the stuff. Some pagans are pretty crazy(like Gothics), but it does seem that non-religious are usually way more moral than religious people.

EDIT: Gothics, not Satanists


Edited by Emperor Barbarossa

Originally posted by Decebal Originally posted by Emperor Barbarossa I can agree with you with most of the stuff. Some pagans are pretty crazy(like Satanists), but it does seem that non-religious are usually way more moral than religious people. But then you could argue whether Satanists are actually pagans. I would say that they are in fact a warped version of monotheists. Most of their ideology can actually be considered to be an Abrahamic heresy. I generally agree with the statement made above. Of course, there's also exceptions, but paradoxically, atheists and agnostics seem to have more moral restraint than  the people who preach it under the Abrahamic umbrella.

I've always considered Satanists to be a branch of mainstream christianity.

Zargos, that�s quite a generalization.

Of course as a Christian (just a Christian, not devout don�t go to church ect) I disagree with all other faiths. If fact, if I didn�t disagree with other faiths what would be the point of my faith? It's not arrogance to disagree with other faiths .

Atheists can be corrupt people as well. Just look at Communistic countries, there are a dime a dozen corrupt officials.

And lets drop the BS. Atheists (ald all others) can be arrogant b-tards. You think I have never heard Atheists poking fun at Christianity? Hell all of you atheists here probably do it. You probably say f---- God ect ect.

As human beings, we�re all the same. If I saw a Muslim man/woman in dire need of assistance I would rush over in a heart beat because it�s a human being. I can even br friends with people of other faiths. What they believe in is between them and their own consciousness no matter if I disagree.

Now are atheists better people? don�t maker me laugh. What proof is there of this? Are most Christians willing to kill infidels because they don�t agree with Christianity? What BS.

Edited by Loknar

Let's put the whole thing back on its feet.

Religion is never the cause, but always a symptom of the inadequacies of political and social structures.
The most evil people today are those that strive to perpetuate existing economic, social and political inequality and opression.
That some of them, mentioned above, use religion to justify their actions can be explained, amongst other things, via the history of all and especially the monotheistic religions as apologists for existing power-structures.
But religion is only one of the available ideologies that can serve that purpose, agnostic liberalism has long justified the capitalist society, as much as atheism was one aspect of authoritarian Stalinist regimes.

But then you can put it back on its head.
(Christian) Religion has also served on occasions as the binding context for some of the most radical attempts to create an equal and just society, without comforting its adherents on the redemption of the afterlife.

I sometimes feel sorry for christians when i imagine what i would tell them about it from my point of view. I imagine thy would cry or be morally crushed when they see their ignorance.

I personally believe you only become christian by tradition or at a moment of weakness and stupidity that takes away reasonable argumentation of logic. These moments are easily attainable for humans and many fall to the trap of religion. Especially when you live in Western Europe somewhere where you see science doing everything for you, you still go cry in Rome while looking a damn nazi wave at you from his castle while he is thinking of ways to burn all the condoms on Earth and how to turn gays into straight christians by magic.

Christianity is such a faulty philosophy, or lunacy as a better word for it, it is crazy to follow it. Brains electrical charges and chemical substances in your body that make you feel things isn't God damn it.

And yes i believe that christians are very different from commoners (atheists that is). I can pick out a christian when i hear half an hour of his/her talk. I have done a good job at that to this day. They are really different in speech. Not that they talk about the glory of God, they rarely do that at all, thats not the giveaway, but the being of their little selves. They are overly welcoming, smiling at everything and the overall aura of them is somehow noticable. They seem to be trying to show that they are welcoming to everything the society offers today and free minded, but you can see its not true.

As the Bible is impossible to follow as a path of life, it can't directly make anything better, and as christians hardly no much about their faith themselves, i admit it is fun to listen preaching and submit to the empty word of a holy father, but i don't think that gives much room for self thought. Looking at the Heavens before every damn decision in your life really hinders your liberty i think.

I have to say you atheists are so damn funny. I honestly don�t take you guys seriously. You sit back, swirling a glass of fine wine, and reminisce about how you feel so sorry for Christians....and how wrong they are...and how right you are.

You guys are a joke.

I am a historian just like you all are, I know about religions past. So basically, I don�t need a lecture from all you atheists about how I�m wrong.

Kalevipoeg

In many nations in this world, Christians are the commoners. It is you who are the minority. And how does the Bible restrict your liberty? And what do you know about the Bible?

If you knew anything at all you�d know it was voluntary. It is a path you chose to go down, just as a Buddhist chooses their path (of course I notice how everybody kisses their ass because supposedly they are peaceful. It�s actually a myth).

And everybody, I don�t need your damn pity. I make my own choices.

And let me also explaion something else to you all...if it wasnt the ABrahamic faiths causing trouble, it's be another. It MANKIND that's the problem.

 

From what I can tell, all the posts are attempting to rationalize a non-rational issue. 

But thanks to free will, which is supposely divine, an individual can simply be content to follow and I don't believe we should fault them for that.  Not all of us are capable of leading others.  I suspect many would not bother getting out of bed in the morning if it weren't for some other-worldly reward for hard work and faith.

I guess my religion is science, since it's what I believe in to explain the unknown.  One answer always leads to another.

Originally posted by Kalevipoeg I sometimes feel sorry for christians when i imagine what i would tell them about it from my point of view. I imagine thy would cry or be morally crushed when they see their ignorance.

Ah, but you see you are assuming that we would be convinced of the validity of your position.

I personally believe you only become christian by tradition or at a moment of weakness and stupidity that takes away reasonable argumentation of logic. These moments are easily attainable for humans and many fall to the trap of religion.

I believe the issue her is two completely different perspectives. If you do not accept the premises of the Christian faith, then the beliefs of Christians might seem products of stupidity or weakness to you. However argumentation and logic are often applied in theology; read some of the canons and faith definitions of the Ecumenical Councils if you doubt me. Where you would probably like to leave the discussion is where we Christians limit the ability of inherently imperfect man to apply logic. This is the result of a belief in the incomprehensible nature of God. Once again, it requires the acceptance of certain premises, in exactly the same way an acceptance of any "truth" requires the acceptance of certain premises.

Christianity is such a faulty philosophy, or lunacy as a better word for it, it is crazy to follow it. Brains electrical charges and chemical substances in your body that make you feel things isn't God damn it.

Well there have been people who were characterized as "Fools for Christ", although I think that you and I would have different impressions of them.

And yes i believe that christians are very different from commoners (atheists that is). I can pick out a christian when i hear half an hour of his/her talk. I have done a good job at that to this day. They are really different in speech. Not that they talk about the glory of God, they rarely do that at all, thats not the giveaway, but the being of their little selves. They are overly welcoming, smiling at everything and the overall aura of them is somehow noticable. They seem to be trying to show that they are welcoming to everything the society offers today and free minded, but you can see its not true.

I would like to know in what sense you use the word commoner. If you are using it purely as a numerical classification you are applying it incorrectly. There are definitely more Christians than atheists in the world.

Also, I think that with true Christians you may be mistaking real love and generosity for what you seem to view as a conspiracy. By the way, how can one be "overly welcoming"? To what degree am I allowed to be kind?  

As the Bible is impossible to follow as a path of life, it can't directly make anything better, and as christians hardly no much about their faith themselves, i admit it is fun to listen preaching and submit to the empty word of a holy father, but i don't think that gives much room for self thought. Looking at the Heavens before every damn decision in your life really hinders your liberty i think.

It is, indeed, impossible for man to truly follow every aspect of God's teaching in the Scriptures; this is the very reason the Son was sent. To say that the Bible can't directly make anything better is patently untrue. Even if you don't subscribe to the forgiving nature of the Father, the redemptive power of the Son or the purifying energy of the Holy Spirit, you can still apply New Testament morality (love, forgiveness, generosity, communalism, etc.) as a system which would significantly improve the world.

As for your assertion that adherence to Biblical morality limits self-thought, I would counter that it inspires the application of self-examination which influences--and indeed completes--self-thought; in essence, it gives us a correct context for our thoughts.

As for liberty, there is a difference between the proper use of free-will and the reckless abuse of free will. God Bless.  (Uh-oh, I smiled. I gotta be less welcoming).

-Akolouthos

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Why do you say: "You cannot believe in free-will and religion?"

-Akolouthos

Religion is Humanity's pleasure poison. It brings people�s ability to question without red lights down, way down, and suppresses it. Stampeding it like a crazed group of animals fearfull of its supposed evils. I despise religion and its whole facade. I will admit there are some very good religious people out there who you start to wonder if they would be as good without having a religion, but the masses of people would be better and more ethical people without religion. As Red clay once wrote religion is simply a political system. It is the false, which can benefit the world in some way. Religion is an immoral medium of exploitation. Think of the Vikings and the ancient Japanese. Where if you died as a warrior in battle you would supposedly attain a sweater afterlife then those without such action. King Philip of Macedonia, The Emperor of china.  Self-Acclaimed Gods. Religion impairs critical thinking and the possibility of a morale society. How can it be possible for a society to be morale if it does not understand the reason and consequences of its morale codes? Religion canot allow evolutionary understanding of its morale codes. One, because if it did the government of the church would no longer be seen as beneficial in that state. Two if such happened many followers would have such diverse opinions on the morale code that you could no longer sensibly categorise them under one religion. Three, such morale metamorphosis would simple as said above fragment the unity of the religion as well; therefore religion would no longer be a social group network. This social network is one of the reasons so many people love religion. It makes them feel part of something strong and at the same time above or superior which Leeds me on to my fourth point that the break up would cause controversy. Now it is the lack of major controversy of Religions morale codes that elevates them to such a high status. I experience a lot of people telling me that something has to be right because so many people adhere it. So you see, religion cannot let evolve its morale codes, hence it does not sponsor questioning, hence it does not produce a morale society otherwise it would lead to a road of self-destruction.

Atheists can be corrupt people as well. Just look at Communistic countries, there are a dime a dozen corrupt officials.

It�s interesting but most commie atheists on average probably don�t understand why atheism is better then having a theology (S). I'm sure the first Christians were more morale then the contemporary ones on average. Based on this the ideology that should be held high is not atheism or Theology but rather questioning. Forgot these two useless things they can become corrupted and infected with stupiunethigreedo easily, especially when one attains dominance of the political plain. Just teach people to question without mind boundaries. That�s what�s important.

And communism counts as a religion Loknar.  Ive seen Mao's tomb and how he is worshipped.  The communist movement has prophets, blind followers and everything else.  Indeed, politics is a religion of sorts which is why I say never trust anyone with an non practical ideology.

 

Your right, in the end communism is another religion except the product type has been pealed of the box and replaced with a incorrect one. Communism is obese with properties of religion.

 

I have to say you atheists are so damn funny. I honestly don�t take you guys seriously. You sit back, swirling a glass of fine wine, and reminisce about how you feel so sorry for Christians.... and how wrong they are...and how right you are.#

 

I feel sorry for humanity. I think you have misinterpreted atheism as an ego fair ride. I have cried because of religion, so don�t express to me that the nature of atheism is so.

 

I personally believe you only become christian by tradition or at a moment of weakness and stupidity that takes away reasonable argumentation of logic.

 

Yea exactly, they get you when you�re a little lamb, right when you see adults as wise knower of the world and when you lack a substantial amount of concepts to see their ideology flaws.