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JuMong
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Topic: Three Kingdoms of Korea Posted: 08-Jul-2006 at 05:40 |
Hi,
There are number of Historical dramas based on this Era coming out in S. Korea that's straining relations with the Chinese Government.
I wish I could paste some links here, but, unfortunately, this site is badly designed.
you may wanna Google.
Edited by JuMong - 08-Jul-2006 at 05:42
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 08-Jul-2006 at 15:18 |
It's not so much dramas centering around the Shilla and Baekje but the dramas which are focusing on Buyeo, Goguryeo, and Barhae: namely those about Jumong, Dae Joyeong, and Yeon Gaesomun. I hear a Gwanggaeto one is also in the works.
There wouldn't be any strains with the Chinese government if the PRC had not made claims to Korean history in the first place.
Plus, if the history is shared, the media corporations have every right to make these dramas don't they?
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Posted: 08-Jul-2006 at 18:29 |
Originally posted by JuMong
Hi,
There are number of Historical dramas based on this Era coming out in S. Korea that's straining relations with the Chinese Government.
I wish I could paste some links here, but, unfortunately, this site is badly designed.
you may wanna Google.
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Whats the name of the up coming movie of that? so i could google it.
Thx
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Posted: 08-Jul-2006 at 18:45 |
For more discussion on the accuracy of the depiction of historical events in movies, go to the following thread:
Due to the generally more limited budget for TV productions, I have a feeling that they pay even less attention to the accuracy of the depiction of historical events.
I am pretty sure dramas have been made in China that depict Sino-Korean history from a purely Chinese perpective, so they shouldn't complain about Korea doing the same thing from their own perspective. The bottom line is, no one really has any exclusive claim to "the truth" since history is always open to interpretation, which of course depends on the background of the person who does the interpretation.
If I spoke Korean, I would love to watch these dramas.
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Posted: 08-Jul-2006 at 20:22 |
I'm kind of curious about this because I've also seen some episodes of
one such drama broadcast on the local cable channel within the past
year. It concerns a military general of the kingdom of
Silla (sp?) around the time of Japanese incursions in to the
peninsula (15th Century, I think). Just what were the recognized
Korean kingdoms and their respective periods of existence?
Between the Chinese and Japanese, these seem to have been relegated to
the background of Asian history.
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Posted: 09-Jul-2006 at 12:27 |
The drama you watched was on Admiral Yi (I Sunsin, I Sunshin, etc) He battled Hideyoshi's navy during the Imjin Waeran (1592 1598) He served the Joseon dynasty which was from 1392-1910. The Joseon was the last Korean monarchy (We're considering Joseon and the Daehan Empire as the same entity).
As for Korean history, wiki's done an amazingly good job of summing it up and including just about every entity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Korea
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Posted: 10-Jul-2006 at 03:07 |
google "history of Great Choson empire", see how Korean may depict history with "Korean perspective", that i dare say is far from historically accurate.
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Posted: 10-Jul-2006 at 03:25 |
Originally posted by flyingzone
For more discussion on the accuracy of the depiction of historical events in movies, go to the following thread:
Due to the generally more limited budget for TV productions, I have a feeling that they pay even less attention to the accuracy of the depiction of historical events.
I am pretty sure dramas have been made in China that depict Sino-Korean history from a purely Chinese perpective, so they shouldn't complain about Korea doing the same thing from their own perspective. The bottom line is, no one really has any exclusive claim to "the truth" since history is always open to interpretation, which of course depends on the background of the person who does the interpretation.
If I spoke Korean, I would love to watch these dramas.
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please be more specific, which Korean or Chinese TV dramas are historically inaccurate? and why they deemed to be that? so that we can have more meaningful discussions.
may i remind you, i have seen Korean claim Confucius to be a Korean? (on AE as well) should China complain or not, since "dongyi" may had connection to both Shang and Korea, that at the time "Chinese" is not yet defined by Qin's unification?
if this distortion or inaccuracy in tv dramas is to counter the "Chinese perspective" which is accused of same as lack reliabilty. then, do you think its actually a better way to make their objection?
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Posted: 10-Jul-2006 at 12:56 |
google "history of Great Choson empire", see how Korean may depict
history with "Korean perspective", that i dare say is far from
historically accurate.
Simply google "Koguryo" and you'll find the same distorted history, except from the Chinese perspective. What really was the point of that post? Distortion happens on both sides and it's not too surprising that you'll find extremist nationalist sites if you type in such key words.
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Posted: 10-Jul-2006 at 12:59 |
please be more specific, which Korean or Chinese TV dramas
are historically inaccurate? and why they deemed to be that? so that we
can have more meaningful discussions.
may i remind you, i have seen Korean claim Confucius to be a
Korean? (on AE as well) should China complain or not, since "dongyi"
may had connection to both Shang and Korea, that at the time "Chinese"
is not yet defined by Qin's unification?
if this distortion or inaccuracy in tv dramas is to counter the
"Chinese perspective" which is accused of same as lack reliabilty.
then, do you think its actually a better way to make their objection?
You seem to be lacking the distinction between what is said online by some individuals and what is generally accepted in SK. Extreme Nationalists hold a very marginal audience and more oft than not their version of the story does not appear in the media. Point in case, no educated Korean is going to tell you that Confucius was a Korean.
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Posted: 10-Jul-2006 at 22:41 |
Originally posted by Gubook Janggoon
Simply google "Koguryo" and you'll find the same distorted history, except from the Chinese perspective. What really was the point of that post? Distortion happens on both sides and it's not too surprising that you'll find extremist nationalist sites if you type in such key words.
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Thats my point, "distortion happens on both sides." Im aware of "Chinese perspective" on Koguryo, thats why i said its a Korean state in the Bohai thread. But in case of Korean forumers havent known, that this "history of Great Choson empire" is relatively popular on Chinese sources, its seen as anexample of current Korean nationalist view on history.
Confucius is a highlight, since its traditionally regarded as a Chinese sage, though you may argue its rather few nationalist individuals from Korean side claiming such, but apparently Confucius had "dongyi" connection, im interested to know, how this connection may influence "Korean perspective".
And i suspect some of the elements from "history of Great Choson empire"(i can only find it on Chinese google, by typing in "大朝鲜帝国史") may be influenced by it, but im not certain.
apparently the Japanese is also concerned about it, since they consider the book distorted Japanese history as well. i have read some translation of its content by Chinese sites, since i havent read it myself, i will reserve some doubt about whether this view is generally accepted in SK or not. I was hoping Korean forumers may inform me further on that. As far as i know the book was published as a "authentic" history book in SK.
On specific issues i may consider its fostered by some nationalist individuals, but i believe they are also by-product of general nationalism in a particular country, also how current politics may influence it, positively or negatively.
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Posted: 11-Jul-2006 at 19:56 |
Books in South Korea are published at the discretion of the publisher.
I have no idea how it works in China, but the government has no real
control over what is published in South Korea. You can find all sorts
of wierd little books but just because you find it on some book shelf
in some book store somewhere doesn't mean that the information inside
is necessarily mainstream. As with all things, what you read is to be
taken with a grain of salt.
The internet is even more open in this respect. Whereas in
publications content needs to pass by the eye of an editor/publisher,
the internet has no such restraints (in the South Korean context) and
anyone with whatever crazy theory they have can express their
sentiments, hence the existence of sites like those advocating the
belief in the existence of such fantastic monsters like the
Chupacabra.
It's not too hard to believe then that you would find Koreans (or
Korean impersonators) inhabiting cyber space that would spout rubbish
such as the out of no where idea that master Kong Zi was actually
Korean.
As for the book itself, I'll give it one thing: it's got some pretty
pictures. I've seen this particular book come up over and over and
it's mostly full of garbage inspired by the extreme nationalist view on
history. Thankfully, this is not the mainstream and is quite far from
it.
Not to say that Korean academia is not tainted at all. If a scholar
ever claimed that Korean industry was helped at least indirectly by
previous build up during the colonial era, he or she would find
themselves shunned and unread, but that kind of bias occurs in every
nation. It follows the logic that most people don't want to read bad
things about themselves. Hence claims in some Japanese textbooks that the Rape of Nanjing never happened when it so obviously did.
The same thing is apparent when I see Chinese state papers such as
Xinhua give articles on Goguryeo. The information is usually the
same. "China is proud of its Goguryeo sites and China's kingdom of
Goguryeo. Goguryeo was a local ethnic minority and local government of
China that never developed its own writing but instead utilized Chinese
characters. Goguryeo received Buddhism from China" etc etc. As you can
see the tactic here is totally ignoring Goguryeo's own acheivments and
focusing solely on its relationship to China giving the false
impression that Goguryeo did not stand on its own but was absolutely
dependent on China without ever directly stating it.
The point? Yes I agree, all nations often horribly distort their
history and the histories of other nations. Is the extreme Korean
nationalism you find on this website mainstream in South Korea?
Absolutely not.
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Posted: 11-Jul-2006 at 22:59 |
Originally posted by Gubook
Books in South Korea are published at the discretion of the publisher. I have no idea how it works in China, but the government has no real control over what is published in South Korea. You can find all sorts of wierd little books but just because you find it on some book shelf in some book store somewhere doesn't mean that the information inside is necessarily mainstream. As with all things, what you read is to be taken with a grain of salt.
As for the book itself, I'll give it one thing: it's got some pretty pictures. I've seen this particular book come up over and over and it's mostly full of garbage inspired by the extreme nationalist view on history. Thankfully, this is not the mainstream and is quite far from it. |
According to the sources i've read(the Japanese link has it in the introduction), this particular book has been introduced to the army for education on "national history" of Korea. If this is true, shouldnt such non-mainstream materials be not introduced into apparently an important organization in SK on a serious matter?
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Posted: 12-Jul-2006 at 04:27 |
I'd like to see your Japanese website. Keep in mind that some websites exist simply to spread lies and hate. Like I said, take informaiton with a grain of salt.
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Posted: 18-Jul-2006 at 03:32 |
Korean dramas are played at a UHF station (low power) where I live. It i has english subtitles. The first drama I saw was called the "age of warriors". It took place form thr 1170 rebellion thru Choi Chong Han. It was a great drama. The following one was called "The Immortal Yi Soon Shin".
It all is a mesh of drama and history to it isnt entirely accurate. For example, the first turtle boat built by yi soon shin actually ended up tiping over. This of course never happened (not to my knwoledge).
The next one comming up takes place in Balhae, the successor kingdom of Kuguryo.
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Posted: 18-Jul-2006 at 15:46 |
Korean historical dramas put much emphasis on the drama part
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