Pro- Choice or Pro-Life?

Originally posted by Sparten I am not pro-choice or pro-life. I am pro-sanity. Abortion is way different from say body piercing, when its nobody's business but your own. In abortion, a human lfe is being snuffed out. The fetus may no have been human, but it would have become one.

And how, may I ask, does this person's decision to have an abortion affect your life? Will you be supporting said human life that came out of her? Will you be feeding said human life, educating said human life, or in any other way contributing to its development? If the answer to any of the above is NO, then it's none of your business!
    

Originally posted by Un-Edu-Genius From Conception a fetus begings forming in the womb it's own little person, and in just a few weeks can feel pain and sense danger. This is not just me saying this, it's a proven scientific fact. Knowing that they feel pain, how can you say that it should be "the mothers choice" when she is not the one who will feel that pain, she isn't the one who's life is going to be ended. If it were meant to be, We would have an automatic eject button, don't you think?

No, women aren’t VCRs. I don’t see what pain and emotions has to do with it, how that makes the fetus inviolate, if the woman carrying it – much like an outgrowth on her body- should want to dispose of it. We kill so many things that have emotions and nerve systems, without regard to how these creatures must feel. I can see nothing wrong per se in killing anything that there is sufficient reason to kill, yet it doesn’t mean I’m anti-life, I’m just not pro-all kinds of life.

Originally posted by Sparten I am not pro-choice or pro-life. I am pro-sanity. Abortion is way different from say body piercing, when its nobody's business but your own. In abortion, a human lfe is being snuffed out. The fetus may no have been human, but it would have become one.

Again, what is so great, so inviolate about human life if there is sufficient reason to have it “snuffed out”, as you say?

Originally posted by TheDiplomat Put yourself into the shoes of that infant in one women's body,who is in the mood of abortion. would you wish not to be given birth?

Irrelevant; we should care more about the quality of the life for the woman living now, than the potential life of an unwanted child.

Originally posted by morticia Quite frankly, I believe that most woman don't want to be subjected to such a procedure, but it is important for all women to know that they have a medically safe alternative to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, if they choose to do so.

Absolutely, otherwise we’d find ourselves in a society which forces women to carry forth children of rape and incest, meaning every woman has reason to fear not only rape itself but a lifelong reminder and consequence thereof. I think TheDiplomat should put himself in those shoes. Of course, I’m willing to go much further than that and accept abortion as simply a last measure preventive method.

Originally posted by Reginmund Originally posted by TheDiplomat Put yourself into the shoes of that infant in one women's body,who is in the mood of abortion. would you wish not to be given birth? Irrelevant; we should care more about the quality of the life for the woman living now, than the potential life of an unwanted child. .

Edited by TheDiplomat - 14-Sep-2006 at 16:20

Reginmund, Let me clarify, A "Fetus" ... is really a small baby, the begining of new life.

Originally posted by Un-Edu-Genius No Morticia, probably to your dismay, I am definantly not a man. � I understand how complicating some pregnancies can be, however the physical and mental effects of an abortion can be much worse in the end. � I have quite a few close friends who have had abortions, and in their words, " I'll regret it till the day I die."

    
Nooooo, Un-Edu-Genius, not to my dismay!! On the contrary, I welcome you and am honored to converse with an intelligent woman in this predominately male dominated history forum.   

Yes, some women regret having terminated their pregnancies, but it was a decision that they made of an option which was available to them.   While some regret it, others do not.   I know a few women who terminated unwanted pregnancies and do not regret it at all. Some even subsequently had wanted pregnancies, and, today, one is a mother of three and another is a mother of two.   Just because some women regret their termination does not mean that abortion should not be an available option for others.   

Morticia, I understand what you're saying, But that little child can't voice it's opinion.... It isn't given it's right to have a choice when and if it is aborted... why should a woman have the choice to abort her baby, and that baby be denied the right to choose it's fate?

Originally posted by Mixcoatl   you can't open a bank account for a yet unborn baby, etc.

Edited by TheDiplomat - 15-Sep-2006 at 05:24

Originally posted by Sparten The issue at the end of the day is about repsonsibility. If I make a woman pregnant and she gives birth, then as an adult it is nothing less than my duty to provide for that child. If an adult enters into consesual sexual actvity, and there are no mitigating circumstances, then well they both male and female, should have to bear the responsibility.

That's very noble of you, Sparten, but remember that not everyone thinks the way you do, and not everyone is as responsible and logical as you are. Just because you are willing to undertake such a responsibility doesn't mean the same would work for others. That is why alternative options must exist in order to make an assessment/evaluation and then choose the option which best suits the individual's needs and desires. Just because abortion would not suit your needs does not mean it wouldn't suit someone else's.

Originally posted by morticia Originally posted by Sparten The issue at the end of the day is about repsonsibility. If I make a woman pregnant and she gives birth, then as an adult it is nothing less than my duty to provide for that child. If an adult enters into consesual sexual actvity, and there are no mitigating circumstances, then well they both male and female, should have to bear the responsibility. That's very noble of you, Sparten, but remember that not everyone thinks the way you do, and not everyone is as responsible and logical as you are. Just because you are willing to undertake such a responsibility doesn't mean the same would work for others. That is why alternative options must exist in order to make an assessment/evaluation and then choose the option which best suits the individual's needs and desires. Just because abortion would not suit your needs does not mean it wouldn't suit someone else's.

Originally posted by morticia [QUOTE=Un-Edu-Genius] Morticia, I understand what you're saying, But that little child can't voice it's opinion.... It isn't given it's right to have a choice when and if it is aborted... why should a woman have the choice to abort her baby, and that baby be denied the right to choose it's fate?

That, my dear Un-Edu-Genius, is not for me to decide for anyone else. Such a decision solely must be made by the individual(s) who find themselves in such a situation. If it were me, I would want to have many options to choose from, including abortion. One has to do what is in one's best interest, and if she chooses to terminate her pregnancy, then so be it. Would you like others to make decisions for you? QUOTE]