Saxon and Scythian

You're playing fast and loose with terms here, Cyrus. Dad and Daurt are a long way from déor. Not to mention you still didn't respond to the question I posed to you after I pointed out that déor in OE has multiple meanings and that the meaning you ascribe to it is secondary. I will ask you again, where does deor meaning animal, beast fit into your point? Daurt and Dad are not etymologically the same.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by King John Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Old English Online: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/engol-BF-R.html   <déor> brave, valiant  Cyrus, there is one problem with your definition, it is not complete. The first definition for Déor is not brave, valiant but rather animal, beast.1 Where does that fit into your point? http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=deer&searchmode=none : Deer O.E. deor "animal, beast," from P.Gmc. *deuzan, the general Gmc. word for "animal" (as opposed to man), but often restricted to "wild animal" (cf. O.N. dyr, O.H.G. tior, Ger. Tier, Goth. dius)   Middle Persian: Daurt and Modern Persian Dad (beast of prey, wild animal) -> http://www.windictionary.com/Persian-English-dad-Default.aspx

Cyrus, I've never heard about Dad meaning beast or wild animal in Modern Persian. In which dialect are you talking about?

We've been already through this word. They just have a common IE root. I think I provided even more similar words for 'god'. If not, here they are:


O.E. god "supreme being, deity," from P.Gmc. *guthan (cf. Du. god, Ger. Gott, O.N. guð, Goth. guþ), from PIE *ghut- "that which is invoked" (cf. Skt. huta- "invoked," an epithet of Indra), from root *gheu(e)- "to call, invoke." But some trace it to PIE *ghu-to- "poured," from root *gheu- "to pour, pour a libation" (source of Gk. khein "to pour," khoane "funnel" and khymos "juice;" also in the phrase khute gaia "poured earth," referring to a burial mound). "Given the Greek facts, the Germanic form may have referred in the first instance to the spirit immanent in a burial mound" [Watkins]. Cf. also Zeus. Not related to good. Originally neut. in Gmc., the gender shifted to masc. after the coming of Christianity. O.E. god was probably closer in sense to L. numen. A better word to translate deus might have been P.Gmc. *ansuz, but this was only used of the highest deities in the Gmc. religion, and not of foreign gods, and it was never used of the Christian God. It survives in Eng. mainly in the personal names beginning in Os-.



Edited by Slayertplsko - 02-Jun-2008 at 09:01

Originally posted by Suren Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by King John Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Old English Online: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/engol-BF-R.html   <déor> brave, valiant  Cyrus, there is one problem with your definition, it is not complete. The first definition for Déor is not brave, valiant but rather animal, beast.1 Where does that fit into your point? http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=deer&searchmode=none : Deer O.E. deor "animal, beast," from P.Gmc. *deuzan, the general Gmc. word for "animal" (as opposed to man), but often restricted to "wild animal" (cf. O.N. dyr, O.H.G. tior, Ger. Tier, Goth. dius)   Middle Persian: Daurt and Modern Persian Dad (beast of prey, wild animal) -> http://www.windictionary.com/Persian-English-dad-Default.aspx   Cyrus, I've never heard about Dad meaning beast or wild animal in Modern Persian. In which dialect are you talking about?

Certainly more possible than Scythians being ancestors of Germanic peoples.

When you look at the culture and language evolution, it doesn't make sense to even believe Germanic peoples were influenced by Iranics. First you have the Corded Ware culture, also known as the Battle Axe culture, and if you look at very old rune stones at the start of the Germanic Bronze age, you see alot of battle axes. Right there it already shows a different culture with such a simple example, but that is also just a piece of the puzzle. The Corded Culture goes way before the Scythians arrived.

'dam' and 'dam' is etymologically different. They just happened to be homonyms today.

When you look at the culture and language evolution, it doesn't make sense to even believe Germanic peoples were influenced by Iranics. First you have the Corded Ware culture, also known as the Battle Axe culture, and if you look at very old rune stones at the start of the Germanic Bronze age, you see alot of battle axes.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri When you look at the culture and language evolution, it doesn't make sense to even believe Germanic peoples were influenced by Iranics. First you have the Corded Ware culture, also known as the Battle Axe culture, and if you look at very old rune stones at the start of the Germanic Bronze age, you see alot of battle axes. Do you mean Sagaris?

Looking at the painting of this weapon, there's also a disinct art style of the two cultures, not to mention a different representation of the axe.

Sure it was a real language. And anyway - was Scythian a real language?? We know nothing about their language except a few words and names. And then, why are you comparing Old Saxon/Old English with Persian...what is the connection between Persian and Scythian?? If Proto-Germanic wasn't a real language, then neither was Old Iranian. So you have two options:
1, accept that PGer was a real language
2, abandon your theory

Choose whichever you want.