Muslim/Islamic Women

i keep reading on the paper about Muslim/Islamic women are stiking up for themselves. That is great to hear, but it makes me sad what the men are doing to prevent this. This would is changing very fast. Good job to all women who don't listen to their abusive male counterparts. We guys should stick up for them more often. It if not just women either, it is children too. We shall stick up for them also.  

Originally posted by Top Gun yes its sad how SOME muslims abuse their wifes in order of the Koran I have pitty with them ...�and wearing that hot burka and they are brainwashed by there own culture they don't know aything else

Well, Top Gun, the customs of cultures must always be respected. We (Westerners) look at a burka as something hot,uncomfortable, and as a punishment to women, but they don't see it like that. It's been their custom for centuries and all they are doing is maintaing their culture. Physical abuse is another matter, though...that causes bodily and mental pain and suffering and should be reformed somehow and at some point. They will evolve at their own time and pace, hopefully.

Nope, this is a Beduoin tradition (covering face) incorporated into Islam via Hadiths, I believe.   Apparently pre Abrahamic belief was that covering the face protected against demons. In remote nomadic bedouin tribes men do it too.

In the Middle East (and India) in general I believe women have always worn head scarves.

Edited by Zagros - 09-Feb-2007 at 16:22

I think I have come up with a different reason as to why Bedouin women were encouraged to wear a veil back in the days of Mohammad.

Bedouin society was very warlike and fierce, rival tribes of unruly and single minded warriors competed with eachother endlessly for supremacy. Mohammad found this useful, once he was able to meld these soldiers together in unity under his own banner.

What we must realise is that it was all too easy for the old rivalries and fractious tensions to flare up again between the different tribes. What would be a major source for conflict? Quite simply, a man insulting the honour of one tribe by doing something considered inappropriate with the woman of the tribe, such as making a pass at her, inappropriate gestures, or even eloping with the said woman.

The question was, how do we keep the peace in this difficult situation? Could we simply tell these unruly Bedouin warriors to settle down and simply not give in to their urges? No, it wasn't going to happen with these men. They were difficult enough to channel into warfare, let alone being told to control their sexual urges. The solution as to how to cut down on the conflict causing issue of women was to simply make the women cover themselves up. It was the easier and more practical approach to the problem, and I suspect it was at least reasonably successful in helping to minimise conflicts sparked by a perceived insult to one tribe's honour.

That's just what appears logical to me.

The Persians were once fierce mobile warriors too. I think the veil played a role in many of the societies by reducing conflict incited by lust over women. The Byzantines would use the veil now and then as well, though it wasn't required by their religion but merely a custom.

Originally posted by Constantine XI The Persians were once fierce mobile warriors too. I think the veil played a role in many of the societies by reducing conflict incited by lust over women. The Byzantines would use the veil now and then as well, though it wasn't required by their religion but merely a custom.

Originally posted by Sparten Eh? Nice theory, but the veil was something adopted later from the Persians.

The headscarves were a part of the greater middle eastern tradition, but what was exclusively BEDOUIN is the covering of the face.

Originally posted by Aktufe I reccomend the biography of Hirschi Ali to read it must be out now in Amerika. it tells the whole story of muslims and women

Just a curiousity (and mine ignorance)

Really?

Edited by pinguin - 12-Feb-2007 at 21:35