Korean - Turkic

Hulegu Han. I didn't want to link Korean to Turkic. I can write the list for Korean & Mongolian right away, if you really need this. All I wanted to state was that there are lots of common words between all Altaic languages and Korean (and also with Japanese). These are not loan words as most of the cases, you see, are common in stems and not whole combinations (which are stems+suffixes). The reason I chose Korean & Turkic was that most of the people in Central Asian section are Turkica and Turkish.   

Edited by gok_toruk - 12-Sep-2007 at 03:20

Look up the Out of Africa migration chart and you'll see that East Asians (China, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, and Northern Vietnam) are composed of the same group of Mongoloids. SE Asians are refered to as Austronesian because of their Austronesian proto Indian-Dravidian roots. (Of course, many are mixed in with East Asian colonists.)

Edited by Intranetusa - 13-Sep-2007 at 00:06

Originally posted by gok_toruk Hulegu Han. I didn't want to link Korean to Turkic. I can write the list for Korean & Mongolian right away, if you really need this. All I wanted to state was that there are lots of common words between all Altaic languages and Korean (and also with Japanese). These are not loan words as most of the cases, you see, are common in stems and not whole combinations (which are stems+suffixes). The reason I chose Korean & Turkic was that most of the people in Central Asian section are Turkica and Turkish.    By the way, I've seen lots of Mongols who claim Turks were a Mongolian tribe. And Chengiz Khan believed Mongols should rule the world. So, may I conclude that you're a racist? Or stuff?

Turkics are a nomadic group originating in Central Asia. Groups in the area and peoples such as the Mongols are racially Mongoloids. They conquered west ward, and mixed in with the native populace in western Asia.

However, language wise, Korean and Japanese are not Turkic languages. Turkic languages are isolated to Central and Western Asia. Turkic languages and Korean may share some words in common, but so does Japanese and Mandarin, and which is a Sino-Tibetan language.

Also ethnically speaking, most Japanese, most Chinese, and most Koreans are ethnically and racially related (Mongoloids), whereas Western Asians who speak the Turkic languages are mixed Eurasians between Caucasoids and Mongoloids.

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Austronesian people are believed to originate in Taiwan or south-eastern region of China adjastent to Taiwan. They have nothing to do with "Proto- Indian Dravidians."

Yes, you are right that Taiwan is one of the homelands of Austronesian language families. I meant to say Australoid/Australasian people, not Austronesian. Dravidians and South East Asians belong to the Australoid people classification.


Edited by Intranetusa - 16-Sep-2007 at 00:18

Originally posted by Intranetusa However, language wise, Korean and Japanese are not Turkic languages. Turkic languages are isolated to Central and Western Asia. Turkic languages and Korean may share some words in common, but so does Japanese and Mandarin, and which is a Sino-Tibetan language. Also ethnically speaking, most Japanese, most Chinese, and most Koreans are ethnically and racially related (Mongoloids), whereas Western Asians who speak the Turkic languages are mixed Eurasians between Caucasoids and Mongoloids.

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Of course Japanese and Korean are not Turkic languages. But again their general structure is most similar to Altaic languages, to which Mongolian and Turkic languages also belong.   But in order to evaluate the language as a whole, besides the vocabularly, one should also look at grammar and other aspects of it.   So, the  grammar of Korean and Japanese languages most closely resemble the grammar of Altaic languages. At the same time the grammar of Korean and Japanese is absolutely different from the Chinese one.   That's why one definetely can talk about the possible similarities between Korean-Turkic and/or Japanese-Turkic.   Racial characteristics do not always correlate with the langage spoken by particular people, e.g. most of the African nations speak English or French as their national/native language.

Japanese/Korean are not Altaic languages though. They probably were influenced by Altaic languages, just like they were by Sino-Tibetan, but overall Korean and Japanese languages are still independent languages.

Also, Turkic does not mean Turk/people from Turkey. Turks are mixed Eurasian and Semetic/Arab people.

"Most of the African nations speak English or French as their national/native language."

That's because Africa was conquered by Europe. Just like Central Asia and Western Asia was conquered by the Mongols and Huns and settled by Nomads.

Originally posted by Sarmat12 You are confusing different language families. Dravidian and Austroasiatic languages are not related. At the same time some scientists believe in the relation between Austronesian and Austroasiatic languages' families. It doesn't have sufficient proof, however.

You're making the same mistake I did. I'm talking about the Australoid racial group, not the Austronesian language group. Australasian/Australoid is a racial group, and nothing to do with Austronesian language group.

Well, if "Australasian/Australoid is a racial group, and nothing to do with Austronesian language group" (as you stated, Intranetusa), so how come you conclude Korean (or Japanese) is not related to Turkic since they're racially different?

This is like the case for Turkic and Tungus-Manchu( You observe difference in the their physique and appearance; but Turkic and Tungus-Manchu are members of the same language family). Even in Europe, Norwegian and Italian are both Indo-European, yet the speakers are quite different in appearance.

By the way, by "Turks are mixed Eurasian and Semetic/Arab people", did you mean people of Turkey? Or Turkic people? If you mean Turkic people, could you please provide us with the documents proving this?


Edited by gok_toruk - 17-Sep-2007 at 08:09

What do you mean by Caucasian tribes of Russia?

The Turanian (Turkic) peoples of the Ciscaucasus (North Caucasus) do include the Balkars, Nogais, Kumyks, also the Karachay. They are only one of the ethnic components of the Ciscaucasian region, others include the  many Indoaryan peoples and the descendants of Slavic immigrants.

Originally posted by Intranetusa Japanese/Korean are not Altaic languages though. They probably were influenced by Altaic languages, just like they were by Sino-Tibetan, but overall Korean and Japanese languages are still independent languages.