Originally posted by Torsten Stålhandske Siberian ? Siberia starts east of Ural mountains. That is 3.000 km's east of Finland. Finno-Ugric languages are tought to originate in Central Russia 4000 - 6000 years ago, west of Ural mountains anyway. Language ofcource doesnt equate with genes and should be handled separately.

Finno kinships, several tribes, lived West of Urals-East of the Baltics. Language was near identical with all the tribes in the area until the Slav expansion.
-I suspect that those who taunt Finns/Finnos as Mongols still view the studies of old, when historians relied on language studies instead of genetic studies.

Originally posted by mygger It's very interesting for me. Can you give some links or references of those recent research?

Sorry, my informatoin is from multiple sources. I can not point out just one. I recommend  Tuuli Lappalainen et al for starters.

Human genetic variation in the Baltic Sea region: Features of population history and natural selection 2009

I thought most of Europeans migrated from the Eastern European Plain refugium area after the last Ice Age.

They had to come to East Europe somewhere. East Europe is just part of the route.

Originally posted by Torsten Stålhandske With all respect mygger, those theories are decade old and the more recent research has pretty much come to completely different conclusion. Pretty much all Europeans came from West Asia after the last Ice Age. Finns and Estonians hardly are any different, they are part of the larger North European genepool.

It's very interesting for me. Can you give some links or references of those recent research?
I thought most of Europeans migrated from the Eastern European Plain refugium area after the last Ice Age.

With all respect mygger, those theories are decade old and the more recent research has pretty much come to completely different conclusion. Pretty much all Europeans came from West Asia after the last Ice Age. Finns and Estonians hardly are any different, they are part of the larger North European genepool.

Villems:
"This leads us back to the age-old
problem of the ancient home of the Finno-Ugrians, which is almost as old and
indistinct as the question of the ancient home of the Indo-Europeans. The
classical view that the latter lies in Siberia has persisted for over a century.
And indeed, among the Yakut the above-mentioned paternal line is more
numerous than among even the Estonians or Finns. It now appears, however,
that this circum-arctic paternal line more likely migrated from Eastern Europe
to Siberia than vice versa. In determining the original home of gene lines,
internal divergence is of greater importance than frequency of occurrence.
This parameter is, however, considerably higher among the Finno-Ugrians of
Europe. This leads to a very important generalisation: the extensive
overlapping of the paternal lines of Siberian Ugrians and Finno-Ugrians, to
which there is no parallel among maternal lines, is proof of an extensive
eastward flow of genes caused predominantly by men, presumably in the late
Upper Palaeolithic period. The Dnieper-Don refuge during the Ice Age, more
precisely the process of resettlement following the retreat of the glaciers,
would have been a natural source of this flow. The said process was
presumably connected with the movement of the main animals of prey
(during the time of the refuge mammoths and woolly rhinoceroses)
northwards and to Siberia. In any case, in contrast to our pan-European
(Western Eurasia-like) maternal lines, Estonians, Finns and most other
Northern European Finno-Ugrians have extensive connections with the
peoples of Siberia through their paternal lines, yet not with the main Mongol
tribes, which lack the corresponding paternal line."

Originally posted by Styrbiorn   I'm generally quite sceptical and antagonistic towards genetical studies, because they tend to attract nationalists and similar making ludicrous claims.

Originally posted by Torsten Stålhandske [ That is indeed very interesting topic. Half of modern day Finland was part of Novgorod, thing people usually forget. We shall continue in the other thread.

You referr to the pähkinäsaaren rauha.
I can't really support the idea that half of the modern Finland was part of the Novgorod.

-Because Karelians were allies with Novgorod, but this alliance did not include them as integral part of the Kingdom.(not to mention that Soviets stole the lands anyway, thus modern era Finland has no Karelia)
-North-Western parts also were not under Novgorodian rule.

Originally posted by calvo I think chosing sexual partners has a large cultural element in it as well... Spanish women of this age group have more of a mental block of mating with foreigners; and if they do so, surprisingly, the prefered partners are North Africans or Middle Easterners.

This son of Peruvian parents will change those ladies' minds on foreigners when I travel to Spain for my study abroad program.

Originally posted by Torsten Stålhandske   Originally posted by pebbles   just a random thought ...   Whatever very little " Mongoloid " admix in modern day Finns,I think it's a residue from many centuries past due to Finland's low population haven't thinned out the hereditary Asiatic bloodline by this time.It's just my opinion,not back up by any scientific studies.     That "mongoloid" thing is myth. I seriously doubt that there is any significant amount of East Asian heritage in Finland.