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    Posted: 29-May-2009 at 09:25

Children are more mature than those god damned nationalists.

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            The same motivation is to be seen in school maps that show the pseudo-greater Macedonia, stretching from Skopje to Mt. Olympus and labeled in Slavic. 

 
This map is used frequently in bulgarian textbooks to describe geographical territory over which there were territorial claims  between Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia. What is so wrong with the map itself?
 
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The same map and its claims are in calendars, bumper stickers, bank notes, etc., that have been circulating in the new state ever since it declared its independence from Yugoslavia in 1991. 
I wonder why didn't these people at least google the story with the banknote before including it to the letter to Obama?  It was never used as a banknote and actually even never officially printed. The fact that some nationalists print some shit and sold it on streets does not speak much about the official state position. I saw many Greek nationalists maps of Greece including half  Turkey, does it mean that this is "unhealthy territorial inspirations" from the side of Greece?
 
This is minor question, of course, but this is how wrong impression is created in people who are not familiar with the question.
 
 
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Originally posted by Anton

It deals with questions/discussions popular in 19th century. This topic was actual for newly developing nations (Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs etc.) in 19th century but nowadays it is just wrong.
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Originally posted by xristar

What's wrong with the 19th century.
It deals with questions/discussions popular in 19th century. This topic was actual for newly developing nations (Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs etc.) in 19th century but nowadays it is just wrong.
 
 
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Originally posted by xristar

What's wrong with the 19th century. And please define the 21st century.


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What's wrong with the 19th century. And please define the 21st century.

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That letter is so from the 19th century ....
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Obama doesn't give a shit obviously, but Greek nationalists?? Will you check the list of scholars or at least grow some eyeballs?

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And since Obama is so concerned about the hurt feelings of Greek nationalists, he will unrecognize Macedonia, and completely undermine the consistencies of US foreign policy on the issue.


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Why tell Obama?
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To be perfectly fair, I'm sure Bush only gave one moments thought to calling it the Republic of Macedonia, mainly out of conveniance and the fact that the name looked prettier than FYROM!
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The meaning of this letter  has  political dimesion  since the receiver is a political person, but also and an academic one since this letter undersigned from top universities professors and writers like Ian Worthington, Malcolm Errington and Paul Cartledge - that involve with ancient Greek history- and the most of the content has historical material.
 
Political dimesion  originated from the ill-conceived decision by Bush administration to recognize FYROM as the Republic of “Macedonia,” clearly became the catalyst of a more aggressive stance by FYROM that can presently be perceived as hostile towards Greece, a NATO ally of the US for many years. Obama administration should reverse  Bush  decision, recognize them again as FYROM, and actually block their NATO integration until a new name is found. In addition the US should condemn in the strongest terms their irredentist and aggressive behavior, as  mentioned in the letter.  It is imperative that a negotiated mutually acceptable solution also includes change of the FYROM constitutional name to the new agreed name, i.e. change in their passports and use of that name erga omnes.
 
The academic dimension is clear because the names that undersigned this letter are so huge and any comment by me will be a  tom-fool thing to do.



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Originally posted by open letter


........ respectfully request  to intervene to clean up some of the historical debris about Macedonian History left in southeast Europe by the  Bush administration.
Source of the letter is the  
 

May 18, 2009

The Honorable Barack Obama
President, United States of America
White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20500

 

Dear President Obama,

            We, the undersigned scholars of Graeco-Roman antiquity, respectfully request that you intervene to clean up some of the historical debris left in southeast Europe by the previous U.S. administration.


 
ancient-scholars@macedonia-evidence.org


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edited to CoC standards - es_bih


Edited by es_bih - 30-May-2009 at 03:22
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