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    Posted: 16-Aug-2009 at 21:27
Which of these ideology is your main political ideology?



1. Capitalism

2. Socialism

3. Communism/State Capitalism (China, North Korea)

4. Velayate-Faqih (Iran)

5. Wahabbi Islamism (Taliban, Al Qaeda)

6. Nationalism

7. National Socialism

8. Libertarianism/Anarchism

9. Apartheid

10. Zionism
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Federalism, I believe a federal government is the best type of government for Iran.
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Capitalism is not flawless but has done better than the others so far
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Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

Federalism, I believe a federal government is the best type of government for Iran.


That is a system of government, not an ideology.
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A system of government is based on a political ideology, I think this is a political theory that the political power of a country is distributed between some semi-independent states, like the ancient Persian Satraps.
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Originally posted by Tusi

Which of these ideology is your main political ideology?1. Capitalism2. Socialism3. Communism/State Capitalism (China, North Korea)4. Velayate-Faqih (Iran)5. Wahabbi Islamism (Taliban, Al Qaeda)6. Nationalism7. National Socialism8. Libertarianism/Anarchism9. Apartheid10. Zionism


I am not sure because man always corrupts things. Communism would be great if people were not so greedy for power, same with capitalism.

I think the best system would be venture capitalism, a good democratic Republic with a constitution and checks and balances to help stem corruption, freedom of belief and conscious but not freedom to do whatever pleases one's flesh. I also believe in nationalism and the right of a nation to protect its; borders, language and culture. (Michael Savage) I am afraid there is no perfect ideology because mankind can choose to do good or evil. I hate to sound cynical but I am when it comes to the human race. I see the world racing to globalism by certain elite and the end of freedom as we know it in the USA. One world government would make another thread but it is an ideaology I fear because it will be a world controlled by the few rich and the rest of us peasants; most of the world is like that today.
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non of them, all are the extremism
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Originally posted by Behi

non of them, all are the extremism
 
 
I agree with Behi, the choices given are pretty much to the extreme.  How about a few centrist choices.
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Like Eagle Cap, I support a capitalist economic system merged with a Confederation style government where individual states have more autonomy. Religion provide cultural reference points and helps to create stable societies. This role needs to be maintained. 
 
Each state would then determine how strong this role would be.  I support Christianity serving as the cultural reference point in the USA with the same role that Islam plays in moderate Islamic nations such as Morrocco, Jordan or Mali.


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Originally posted by Cryptic

Like Eagle Cap, I support a capitalist economic system merged with a Confederation style government where individual states have more autonomy. Religion provide cultural reference points and helps to create stable societies. This role needs to be maintained. 
 
Each state would then determine how strong this role would be.  I support Christianity serving as the cultural reference point in the USA with the same role that Islam plays in moderate Islamic nations such as Morrocco, Jordan or Mali.
 
 
Why does religion play a part.  Could it not be said that religion is at the root of instability and conflict that we see today?
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Originally posted by red clay

 
Why does religion play a part. 
Religion provides social norms, a code of moral conduct, cultural traditions and a sense of social continuity. They also place limits on a rulers actions (of course, these limits can be pushed). All of these contribute to stable societies.
Originally posted by red clay

Could it not be said that religion is at the root of instability and conflict that we see today?
Only on a micro level. On a macro level, most of the instability has been the result of secular ideologies that rejected the religious heritage of their societies (Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin).
 
On a smaller scale, the Ayatollah Khommeini was governed by the rules of a fundamentalist interpertation of Islam. Though he commited crimes, his crimes were far smaller in scale than the secular Saddam Hussein who was making up his own "rules".


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When Government is being formed, religion has no place. "Warriors for God" have killed many more than the secular nutcases.
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Originally posted by red clay

When Government is being formed, religion has no place. "Warriors for God" have killed many more than the secular nutcases.
Statistically, that is not true at all. Communism and Nazism were both secular ideologies.  How many millions of people died through the actions of Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot?  Then factor in secular tyrants such as Saddam Hussein, the Idi Amin etc. 
 
Now, how many have died as a result of religious based violence in the 20th century. Out side of India -Pakistan in 1948, the number cannot be greater than several hundred thousand. 
Given Secular ideologies appear to be far more dangerous than religous beliefs, perhaps secular beliefs have no place in a government. Wink 
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Originally posted by Cryptic

Originally posted by red clay

When Government is being formed, religion has no place. "Warriors for God" have killed many more than the secular nutcases.

Statistically, that is not true at all. Communism and Nazism were both secular ideologies.  How many millions of people died through the actions of Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot?  Then factor in secular tyrants such as Saddam Hussein, the Idi Amin etc. 

 

Now, how many have died as a result of religious based violence in the 20th century. Out side of India -Pakistan in 1948, the number cannot be greater than several hundred thousand. 

Given Secular ideologies appear to be far more dangerous than religous beliefs, perhaps secular beliefs have no place in a government. Wink 


Thanks this is so true
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