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Gubook Janggoon
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Topic: Flag of Japan Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 12:46 |
What ever happened to the sun's rays?
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Dari
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 12:47 |
I thought it was the rising Sun.
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 12:56 |
Yea...that flag....Why did they change it to the setting sun? the first one was so much more pretty.
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 13:20 |
The sun rays flag was never the Janpanese flag. It was their military flag.
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Begging plea of the weak can only receive disrespect, violence and oppression as bestowments. Blood and sweat of the weak can only receive insult, blame and abuse as rewards.
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 13:36 |
O...I never knew that....so the setting sun was always their national flag?
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 13:59 |
Originally posted by Gubukjanggoon
O...I never knew that....so the setting sun was always their national flag? |
Yes, my grandpa remember learning to make the Japanese flag back in school. As he recalls, takes a bowl , put red paint in it, and then dump it on the white flag. Tada~ Japanese flag.
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 14:14 |
Lol, how simple.
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 18:44 |
Perhaps the reverse can be done as well.
Take a piece of red cloth, tie a knott in the center, dip the rest in Clorox bleach and ... maybe we get a tie dyed Japanese flag?
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 18:56 |
the one with the rays are from the Imperialist Japan. Today it is used by three types of people: the navy, the cartoon makers, and the far-right.
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 21:46 |
Hey all,
The red circle is a setting sun, not a rising sun? really?
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Michael
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 21:55 |
From my experience, rising or setting, it's always red.....
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 21:56 |
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Hey all,
The red circle is a setting sun, not a rising sun? really?
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Michael
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Maybe it's just a sun. It's difficult for us to differentiate the sun between rising and setting... Bu t I understand, Gubuk hope it is setting, I am the same
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 22:30 |
Hey all,
I don't wanna sound sinocentric here, but it seems that the sun, as a symbol of Japan, has something to do with it being the farthest east in the known world of the past. It's true that there's also the legend of the sun goddess, but one wonder this in the chicken and egg logic: did this legend become prevalent precisely because of Japan's "Eastness?" In other words, we cannot insist that the sun goddess was the only legend in Japan and in the its patheon of kama. The salience of the concept of the sun might be a cause, not an effect, of the popularity of the sun goddess. After all, Japan, which is Latin Japon, pronounced "Ya pon," is an obvious variant of "Ri bun," "Ni pon," etc, which means "origin of the sun."
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Michael
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 23:03 |
Originally posted by MengTzu
Hey all,
I don't wanna sound sinocentric here, but it seems that the sun, as a symbol of Japan, has something to do with it being the farthest east in the known world of the past. It's true that there's also the legend of the sun goddess, but one wonder this in the chicken and egg logic: did this legend become prevalent precisely because of Japan's "Eastness?" In other words, we cannot insist that the sun goddess was the only legend in Japan and in the its patheon of kama. The salience of the concept of the sun might be a cause, not an effect, of the popularity of the sun goddess. After all, Japan, which is Latin Japon, pronounced "Ya pon," is an obvious variant of "Ri bun," "Ni pon," etc, which means "origin of the sun."
Peace,
Michael
9-1-2004
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I can provide some clues here. You all know I'm one of the Han people in China. Han is the name of my people,it was named after Han Dynasty.But what was the name of my people before Han Dynasty. It's Hua Xia people. Hua means the rays of sun. The first two emperors in Chinese history --- Emperor Yan and emperor Huang are named by 'fire'(i.e. meaning of the word Yan in Chinese) and Yellow(i.e. Huang,which is the color of earth).
In our ancient legend, once there were ten suns in the sky, people were suffering by the dryness and hotness caused by the suns. One day, there appeared a hero who named Hou Yi, he shot down nine of the sun by his bow and saved his people.
another Chinese mythological story about sun 'Kua Fu chased the sun'Maybe someone else here could introduce it for you
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 23:55 |
Hey Hannibal,
Is the "Kua Fu chasing the sun" legend about this guy running to see the sun, and then, on the way there, he got thirsty, so he ran back to get some water, but on the way to get some water he died of thirt -- is that the one? I forget where I read about this, but I'm pretty bummed by it =(
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Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 23:58 |
Originally posted by I/eye
Today it is used by three types of people: the navy, the cartoon makers, and the far-right. |
you could you please provide an example where the far-right uses this flag?
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 00:14 |
china has a kind of plaster paper used to relief people from muscle injury is just like the flag.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 01:09 |
Hey Catt,
I think by far right he meant the conservatives in Japan, and these conservatives, I'm purely speculating, are the ones who are nostalgic of the "good old" Japanese imperialist days ("good old" for them, not for everyone else, of course.)
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Michael
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 02:17 |
Actually... the first people to address themselves to China as King of where the sun rises is the Koguryos in Shuei dynasty. Before that, ֩ (King Shao Hao, which is Sun in the Sky, probably same person as A) and ө (King Tai Hao, same character, probably same as Fz). These two guys are from the ancient race of i (Yi). Yes, same as Fi(Dong-Yi).... Since they are from the east, they are chose their name for that reason, as King of the Sun. Since the Corean people is also descendents of the ancient Yi (not the only descendents), it makes sense why King of Koguryo would adress himself as such when address the Emperor Yang of Shuei Dynasty. After all, he is to the east. Saying F Dong in Chinese acutally means where the sun rise. Just that people don't don't relate the two right away.
The name 饻 Japan, is actually given to the Japanese by the Emperess of Hou Chou, the only female emperor of China in the middle of the Tang dynasty. The Japanese addressed themselves as People from where the sun rise. It upset her a bit, but later on she gave them the name of 饻 and a seal to go with it. Remeber, this is back when Japan was still not within the Asian interational community yet.
(King Yan) and (King Huang) you can argue if they are called that because they are the sun kings, but there is no proof. You can guess all you want. I can just as well say King Huang iis called that, because he's from e (Yellow river, Huang He). And flame is not the same as sun is it?
Anyway...... just my regular bashing...
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 09:29 |
Originally posted by MengTzu
Hey Hannibal,
Is the "Kua Fu chasing the sun" legend about this guy running to see the sun, and then, on the way there, he got thirsty, so he ran back to get some water, but on the way to get some water he died of thirt -- is that the one? I forget where I read about this, but I'm pretty bummed by it =(
Peace,
Michael
9-1-2004
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The story:Kua Fu Chased the Sun, just reflected a desire of people in China since the immemorial times to conquer the nature. Kua Fu chased the sun because the hotness caused by the sun destoryed his people's happy life. A man Versus all mighty sun, isn't he a brave men?
hansioux ,maybe you are right in some details. one's thing is for sure, the worship of sun derived from China...
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