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Feramez
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Topic: First flag Posted: 18-Aug-2005 at 23:44 |
Who were the first people known to use a flag? What did the flag look like?
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Posted: 19-Aug-2005 at 00:22 |
Although flag-like symbols have been used by ancient cultures for
thousands of years, the origin of flags in the modern sense is a matter
of dispute. Some believe flags originated in China, others held that the Roman Empire's vexillum was the first true flag.
(...) From the time of Christopher Columbus
onwards, it has been customary (and later a legal requirement) for
ships to carry flags designating their nationalities; these flags
eventually evolved into the national flags and maritime flags of today. (From Wikipedia)
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Posted: 19-Aug-2005 at 01:44 |
i believe it is Danebrog from the 12th century. It was used as a true flag usually not as a banner. There were many banners those times, most usual is the oriflamme.
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Posted: 19-Aug-2005 at 03:44 |
The world's oldest flag is the Shahdad Flag (I think I had posted a topic about it).
![](http://www.irannewspaper.ir/1380/800126/html/006543.jpg) Flag of Shahdad, third millenium BC
![](http://www.hamshahri.org/hamnews/1377/770908/p1-2.jpg)
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Posted: 19-Aug-2005 at 10:35 |
Thanks everyone, Cyrus, what's that flag supposed to represent? What's the design on it?
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Posted: 19-Aug-2005 at 10:47 |
I think this pic shows it:
![](http://www.kermanmiras.org/tappeha/images/maps%20of%20shahdad/image006.gif)
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Posted: 19-Aug-2005 at 11:01 |
seems like a mesoamerican glyph
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Posted: 19-Aug-2005 at 12:38 |
That is in fact the flag of Marhashi Empire (4th & 3rd millennium BC) in the heart of Lut desert.
The famous Shahrak-e-Kotuluha (Little Peoples City) in Shahdad: http://gallery.netlog.net/albums/IR_shahdad/633_Shahdad_Shah rak_e_Kotuluha_little_people_city.jpg
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Posted: 19-Aug-2005 at 17:16 |
Originally posted by rider
i believe it is Danebrog from the 12th century. It was used as a true flag usually not as a banner. There were many banners those times, most usual is the oriflamme. |
Indeed, according to legend the Danebrog came sailing from the sky to land at the feet of king Valdemar II of Denmark during his crusade in Estonia. To this day it's the flag of the Danish Kingdom.
This however, doesn't make the Danish flag the oldest in history, far from it, but it makes it the oldest national banner still in use.
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Posted: 19-Aug-2005 at 23:42 |
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
The world's oldest flag is the Shahdad Flag (I think I had posted a topic about it).
![](http://www.irannewspaper.ir/1380/800126/html/006543.jpg) Flag of Shahdad, third millenium BC
![](http://www.hamshahri.org/hamnews/1377/770908/p1-2.jpg)
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That is not cloth is it? What are we using as the definition of a flag?
I think of it as a waving banner. I would consider this as just a standard, like the Romans used.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2005 at 09:40 |
My question wasn't about flags made out of cloth, as long as it's a flag, banner, or whatever else was used that resembles a flag.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2005 at 09:46 |
If that is the case, then this is probably the oldest flag.
What was the Shahdad Flag used for? Battle?
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Really interesting,thanks Cyrus.It is in a very good condition,regarding the year it was constructed.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2005 at 11:05 |
That is not a standard but the symbolic flag of Shahdad, each figure representing something:
1. Two twisted patterns on the top and bottom represent the two rivers in the east and the west of Shahdad. 2. As today, there were palm trees in the south and beautiful gardens in the north of Shahdad. 3. Two lions on the two sides of a cow with long horns show the two enemies of Shahdad. 4. And Shahdad itself is shown as a sitting goddess that some other women are protecting her.
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Posted: 04-Sep-2005 at 00:33 |
The exact date of the time of King Yama is not known, but some put it
to around 2500 - 1500 BC. If that is the case, then Afghans probably
invented the flag, because King Yama, raised such a flag that it could
be seen from the other end of the Oxus River [Amu Darya].
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Posted: 05-Sep-2005 at 01:00 |
While it may not be the first flag, the longest continuously used flag is supposedly the flag of Scotland.
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Posted: 05-Sep-2005 at 01:52 |
The flag Scotland currently uses?
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Posted: 05-Sep-2005 at 05:08 |
Originally posted by Belisarius
While it may not be the first flag, the longest continuously used flag is supposedly the flag of Scotland.
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No, it only became a sort of national flag in the 16th century. St Andrews crossed flags in different colours (black or red fields instead of blue) had been used at some occasions for different purposes earlier. The Danish flag has been used and is unchanged since the early 13th century.
And yes, technically a flag is made of cloth or similar non-stiff material.
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Posted: 05-Sep-2005 at 15:21 |
Are you sure? The cross of St. Andrew on a blue field has been used
Scotland since the 9th century. It was first used in battle as the
banner of King Angus, of Alba I believe, in a battle against Angles in
832 CE.
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