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    Posted: 04-Sep-2012 at 03:55
Thanks to Western media and policies, China is now the new world stage "boogeyman"
 
Make no mistake about it, many ordinary Chinese still harbor fears and suspicions of their own government.  But, when it comes to protecting the motherland (communist or not), they will unite in a heartbeat.
 
We now know the current fear/hate towards China is not really its communist government, but the unsuspected economic rise of people long held in contempt and racially inferior status in the West (and Japan too).  Those ordinary Chinese just want the same slice of the pie that Westerners long enjoyed since colonialist times (respect and livelihood).  An attack on China, is like an attack on the Chinese people (according to the collective psyche).  Instead of attacking the dragon outright, the West and international community should try and seek to tame it into a domesticated snake.
 
We can learn as much from Confucius and Buddha as we do from Socrates and Jesus Christ?  The eastern collective mindset is not diametrically opposed to the western individualism. One can mutually benefit the other, if there is that chance and willingness to take the next step.  Instead of seeing the world through artificial differences (ie East vs. West, white race vs. non-white races, etc.), why not see the modern times as the time now to break off these differences and continue humankind to a new era and an improved one.
 
I have seen the horrors in Bosnia, where groups hold on to old grudges and then let it out through reciprocal massacres on all sides.  We don't need that no more
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Does anyone fear China? I haven't noticed.

Does anyone see it as white race vs non-white race? Perhaps people in the far east who are astonishingly racist compared to the west. 

The European view of China is more a people brainwashed by their government into utter blind fanatical nationalism. Even Hong Kong teachers are refusing to teach the Chinese history the government wants them to teach calling a dumbed down patriotic lie. 

A true look at Chinese history shows China very differently. China's been rich in the past, but never more than a regional power, always looking inwards not outwards. This regime seems the same, controlling it's own people is its obsession, not the world.




Edited by Toltec - 04-Sep-2012 at 06:04
Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?

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For the United States, nobody has a fear of China in the way they did of the good ol' Soviet Union. They do however have a programmed response to China in the financial sector, based off of the blah, blah, blah that politicians use to get elected.
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It is not the Han and Tang eras that people in China remember most (periods when China was united and looked towards outward expansion).  It is more of those last days of the Qing Dynasty, when the country was bullied and forced into unequal treaties with the West and esp. the last world war with the Japanese.  With or without this communist regime, the people have a collective memory of past grudges and often use it as motivation to modernize.  It is only made worse when the West continue to threat encirclement policies towards China.  In an indirect way, that strengthens the communists hold on power (ie gaining popular support in face of foreign adversaries). 
 
China is still not anything close to the potential superpower or adversarial competitor the West envisions. Instead of seeing it as the biggest threat to Western (ie white man) supremacy, it would be more wise to welcome its rise and try to tame it within the international community, where hopefully the future generation will internally change from within (politically, socially).
 
But, true economists will say the world is not big enough for more than one superpower given the Earth's limited resources. 
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What about the Chi'n era and immediately after? The era was good afterwards a huge mess. Yet the name China comes from that one man dynasty who finally united China in 221 BC. Before this there was no such thing as China just a bunch of different warring states. Afterwards their was tons of purges death and killing and control. Just like the Roman empire.
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^Actually wrong.  The Han Dynasty unified the warring states, and China was able to expand to frontiers dealing and exchanging with foreign people (on land in the silk routes and by boat in the southern seas maritime trade).  Silk was exchanged to the west (ie Persians, Indians, Rome) and China in turn got imported a lot of new fruits, vegetables, religious cultures, etc.
 
The warring states were feudal ages where more killings actually occured (ie the same as when Europe in Middle Ages and Japan before the Meiji reforms).
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Ssorry but I am right. Look at the facts. Chin or Quin dynasty are the same.


In the mid and late third century BC, the Qin accomplished a series of swift conquests, first ending the powerless Zhou Dynasty, and eventually destroying the remaining six states of the major states to gain control over the whole of China, resulting in a unified China.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin_dynasty
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Posts: 541 		  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2012 at 21:13
China's first imperial dynasty was the Qin Dynasty (221–206 BCE). The Qin unified the Chinese Warring States by conquest, but their empire became unstable after the death of the first emperor Qin Shi Huangdi

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty#section_2

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