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Constantine XI 
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 Topic: Will Russia ever become part of the EU?Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 08:09 |
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I have no clue, what do you think? And would such a development be a good thing?
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TheDiplomat
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 08:28 |
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I remember one European diplomat saying: ''If you look at the map,it would not be Russia joining the EU,rather The EU joining Russia'' |
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oTToMAn_TurK
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 08:50 |
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lol, thats a good one, Diplomat Russia just would never want to join the EU... its a long time european rival and wuold do anything to avoid any political or economical alliance with the west in my opionion. After the breakup up of the USSR the Russians established the CIS (commonwealth of independant states) which the members wer mainly of former-soviet republics. although today this treaty is declining and Russia is now interested in joining the OIC (organisation of Islamic Conferences). This shows that Russia will avoid Europe at any cost. |
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 09:59 |
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I think not. Russia is still a powerful country. They definitely don't need to join the EU.
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Maju
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 10:44 |
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Russia would probably like to join EU but EU thinks it's just too large
not to unbalance it. Notice that Russia has almost 200 million people
while EU is around the 300 million. Russia alone would have such a
democratic weight that would be decissive in most EU decissions.
Besides, due to Siberia, Russia also has many Asian interests that the EU doesn't. Finally the economic, political and sociological situation of Russia don't seem to fit well in EU. And anyhow, I think that, apart of Albania and former Yugoslavian countries, no further EU expansions should be expected in a long time. EU has already absorbed many newcomers and has now to face its own internal problems. Hopefully this process will end in a reinforced and more democratic confederation but this is still something that must be adressed and that will take many years, maybe decades to complete. Till then, EU is likely to stay as it is, with the possible exception of Balcanic nations, once their main problems are reasonably solved, and of the few non-comunitarian western European countries like Norway, Switzerland or Iceland if they decide to join. |
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Belisarius
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 11:21 |
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Another problem with Russia's joining the EU is its poverty. The EU was originally founded as an economic confederation. For Russia to join the EU, the European nations would have to spend lots of their hard-earned wealth to pull Russia out of the rut. The EU could stand to accept small nations in poverty, because their small size makes them easier to pull out of poverty. However, Russia is a huge country with a huge population. So, for the EU to even consider Russia, it will have to do some improving by itself.
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Kalevipoeg
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 14:19 |
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And you would also have to lure the Russian people out of loving
autocracy. i have heard democracy is a big part in getting to be a EU
member.
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Paul
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 15:40 |
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I think it's a forgone conclusion. Russia is the EU's single largest investment. The Russian economy has been floated by EU money for the last 15 years, it's the reason Russia survived the economic collapse of the late eighties. And the reason the EU's doing it is not out of charity. Russia's sitting on the largest mineral, oil and gas resources on earth. However Russia's far from ready politically or economically, but will be in 20 years. Meanwhile in an almost Aztec strategy the EU's surrounding Russia. Baltic State, Balkans, Turkey, Ukraine next and possibly on to Geoargia and Azerbijan (maybe not full members but definately special trade partners, same as Switzerland, Norway, Iceland and co) Belarus will tumble after the Ukraine and finally Russia...... and then god help the rest of the world. |
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Mosquito
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 17:11 |
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As long as Poland is a member of EU and will have anything to say about this idea.... Russia wont become a member of EU. You guys need first to kick our arses out of this organisation.
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Constantine XI
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 19:06 |
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OK, so what would either side have to gain from such a union? Who would gain more?
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Paul
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 19:15 |
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I've thought that for a long time totally unconnected to Russia. I've very little respect for the Polish government. All Poland really does is sponge money from the richer EU countries, complain we want more and when the countries that have kept their economy afloat need something from them says sorry can't help too busy brown tongue-ing the US. Russians are stubborn but at least they're proud. Edited by Paul |
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Mosquito
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Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 20:51 |
Considering the fact that Poland gets from EU about 1/10 of monay that gets for example Spain I wouldnt overestimate economic help of EU for Poland. We can really live without it. I dont deny that we take as much as we can but it doesnt change the fact that we are far from the top of the list. |
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