The most important people in your country’s history
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Topic: The most important people in your country’s history
Posted By: Mila
Subject: The most important people in your country’s history
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2006 at 16:02
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I'm curious as to who you all consider to be the most important people
in the history of your country and/or your people. They can be
important on a global level, important in a positive or negative sense,
important in terms of their contribution towards creating the
country/people you know today, or any other way you wish. Please share
a list, as many as you like! For me... 1. Ban Kulin (First leader) 2. King Tvrtko Kotromanic (Most powerful King) 3. Queen Katarina Velika (Last Queen) 4. Isa-bey Iskakovic (Founder, Sarajevo, etc.) 5. Gazi Husref-bey (Consolidated all of Bosnian Kingdom into Ottoman Bosnia) 6. Husein-kapetan Gradascevic (Uprising against Ottomans, leader) 7. Sevala (She-valla) Zildzic-Iblizovic (Bosnia's women's rights, suffragette, etc.) 8. Savfet-bey Basagic (Leader of Bosnian Renaissance) 9. Ajsa (Eye-shah) Mustabegovic (First Bosniak woman to burn the burqha, women's rights, suffragette, poet, artist, etc.) 10. Isaak Samokovlija (Jewish writer, poet, symbol of tremendous Jewish... contribution, blessing... to Bosnia) ------------- |
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2006 at 18:07
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The most important people are always unknown or badly known. Famous people are just superstars for others in the shadows to manage.
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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2006 at 18:13
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Can i borrow that quote?
---Also the most important people in my Country (THe USA) is George Washington, Abe Lincoln, etc Al Capone, and Ronald Reagan The best current important person today (at this second) is George W. Bush 
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2006 at 20:27
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dude you are going to be suspended again...
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Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2006 at 20:42
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- and he is also a living proof, that intelligence isnt mandatory for reaching a high office. ------------- |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 16:14
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(not in any order) 1. George Washington 2. Ben Franklin 3. Andrew Jackson 4. Thomas Jefferson 5. Alexander Hamilton 6. Harry Truman 7. Franklin Roosevelt 8. Dwight Eisenhower 9. Abraham Lincoln 10. James Polk ------------- 
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Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 16:15
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Who are these ones? 3. Andrew Jackson 4. Thomas Jefferson 5. Alexander Hamilton 10. James Polk ------------- |
Posted By: akritas
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 16:28
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Ok let's see
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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 16:30
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[QUOTE=mamikon] dude you are going to be suspended again...<!--
What did I say wrong? Was it about Al Capone? I thought he was important. ANd cool 
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Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 06:53
Andrew Jackson- General at the Battle of New Orleans in the War of 1812. Became President in the 1824(or 1828) election, and was very popular. Thomas Jefferson- Writer of the Declaration of Independence, and founded the belief of speration of Church from State. Our third President that made the Loiusiana Purchase. Alexander Hamilton- Son of a failed Scottish merchant in the West Indies, life did not look so well for Alexander. However, he became a great economist, founded our national bank. One of the elite federalists. James Polk- Though I despise him, he won the Mexican-American War and pushed our boundary with Canada. -------------
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Posted By: Suevari
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 07:16
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1. Ataturk 2. Kultegin 3. Bumin Kaan 4. Fatih Sultan Mehmed 5. Alp Arslan 6. Attila the Hun 7. Tamerlane 8. Tonyuquq (Prime minister and officer of the Blue Turk Empire) 9. Alp Tekin (1950's secular leader of Uyguristan) 10. Not in any real order. ------------- |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 11:28
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Attila the Hun was not a Turk, or a ruler of Turkey. -------------
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Posted By: Moustafa Pasha
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 11:28
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Mehmet Ali Pasha Wali (Governor) of Egypt |
Posted By: Suevari
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 13:27
Not only were the Huns a proto-Turkic tribe (and therefore Attila was), but Turks and Turkey along side Hungary are the only people/nation to exhonorate him and see him as a national figure. In fact, Turks have the sole claim because modern Hungarians are actually descendants of Arpad's tribe that migrated from Eurasia through the Carpathians not from the Huns. Also the Chinese called Huns ''Tu-Kiu'' (Turk) as well as ''Xiong-Nu'' (Hun) ------------- |
Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 13:39
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Mehmet Ali Pasha Waali (Governor) of Egypt I heard he was a fine man. |
Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 14:20
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my country is a new country but our history is part of the Arabian/islamic history. for Arabic Hisotry the most important person will be for sure Prophet Mohammed then his first companions then the good Caliphs after them.
for UAE it would be our late first president and Founder of the union Sheikh Zayed and Co-founder of the Union the late sheikh Rashid ruler of Dubai and many people who participated in the development of UAE in its first days.
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Posted By: Suevari
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 14:33
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Was Muhammed a real person? I'm never sure...
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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 15:16
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do you? |
Posted By: Beylerbeyi
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 15:47
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Yes, all are famous gangsters. ------------- |
Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 16:01
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Since noone has actually answered properly, I'd like to say Ataturk for Turkey
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Posted By: erci
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 16:04
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Having said that, I don't ignore the contributions of Attila of course ------------- "When one hears such music, what can one say, but .... Salieri?" |
Posted By: Theodore Felix
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 15:22
1. Scanderbeg.... cliche 
2. Leke Dukagjini . Wrote the famous "Canon of Leke" 3. Gjergj Fishta. Catholic priest, but more importantly was considered the "Albanian homer" from writting his famous epic "lahuta e malcise", highland lute. Big figure of early Alb nationalist movement. He was later condemned by the communists for being anti-Slavic and too pro-Turkish. 
4. Ismail Qemali. Responsible for the nationalist movement in Vlora to setup a free Albanian state. Thats it for now. Too lazy to go on...  ------------- |
Posted By: Digenis
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 15:27
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Felix 5.Ismael Kadare ! (more important than the nationalist movement starters )
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Posted By: Prince of Persia 2
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 19:38
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AE is my country 1. Queen Djamila Dzana Nesuvic with proud .2. King Komnenos the Great 3. Land of Aryan (Behnam the archer) 4. Maziar the wavy hair 5. Iranian4life the Knight 6. Sirius the serious 7. Cyrus the founder 8. Zagros the Lion heart 9. azimuth the Gulf 10. Poirot the Babe-Lover 11. ramin the unclear 12. chengiz the handsome 13. Merced12 the Turk 14. Cent the kurd 15. maju the 24hours-active 16. ... |
Posted By: merced12
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 20:10
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------------- http://www.turks.org.uk/ - http://www.turks.org.uk/ 16th century world; Ottomans all Roman orients Safavids in Persia Babur in india `azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim`` |
its truePosted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 20:41
It does not matter. He did nothing for Turkey, and therefore, was not a leader of the country. -------------
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 20:45
I think your country is called UME (United Middle East) ------------- |
Posted By: Theodore Felix
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 14:45
Back in the day. I had some cousins in Gjirokaster(where he was from), who were friends with him. Yea, he is important. But he has some wierd ideologies. His one of the Albanians today who reflects on the pre-Ottoman era in many deluded ways as some golden age of prosperity. I like his style and his books are cool. But as a figure of a nation, his more of a pride then of actual significance. I would place Hoxha as number 5. Not the greatest, but hell he would be worthy of number 1 in that respect. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-May-2006 at 13:59
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*Primož Trubar *France Prešeren *Janez Vajkard Valvasor *Žiga Zois *Anton Tomaž Linhart *Valentin Vodnik... |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 08-May-2006 at 18:18
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Five people who shaped the fate of our country directly:
● M. Kemal Ataturk ● Ismet Inonu ● Adnan Menderes ● Kenan Evren ● Suleyman Demirel |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-May-2006 at 19:12
| General Nathanael Greene in the US Revolutionary War who turned the tide of war in 1780 when he took command of the Southern Army in the Carolinas. His attrition war against the British using regulars and guerilla warfare led directly to the final Victory at Yorktown (with help from the French Navy who blocked Cornwallis' evacuation). |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 09-May-2006 at 14:30
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The most important American by far is Alexander Hamilton. Without him the US would still be a bunch of quasi indipendant city states with an agrarian base who could be preyed on by other nations at will. After him comes Thomas Paine who integrated the need for personal freedom with the need to strenghten the country. ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: NikeBG
Date Posted: 12-May-2006 at 08:59
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My personal list: 1. Khan/Kniaz Boris I Mikhail (convertor of the Bulgarians and a brilliant diplomat) 2. Tsar Simeon the Great (our first emperor, great conqueror and enlightener) 3. Tsar Kaloyan Romeoktonos (both a great commander and diplomat) 4. Khan Kubrat (founder of Old Great Bulgaria) 5. Khan Asparukh (founder of Danube Bulgaria) 6. Khan Tervel (a very noble man, "saviour of Europe") 7. Khan Krum (good conqueror, statesman, lawmaker) 8. Khan Omurtag (builder, reformer) 9. Tsar Ioan Assen II ("peaceful fighter", "Bulgaria again on 3 seas") 10. Tsar Samuil (tragic epopee) ------------- |
Posted By: Sherzod
Date Posted: 12-May-2006 at 12:46
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Hehe!! nice one! but,, Tamerlane is ours!!! he infact used to fight with the Ottomans!! ------------- "Power is in fairness...!" - Amir Temur (1336-1405) |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 12-May-2006 at 12:53
| AFAIK Tamerlane was not an Uzbeg, his dynasty was overthrown by Uzbeks. |
Posted By: Sherzod
Date Posted: 12-May-2006 at 13:03
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I am not saying that he was Uzbek, but he is our ancestor(there were no division of Uzbeks from other nations until recently, after USSR)! Some might disagree, because Uzbekistan has only emerged after the USSR, and before, most of the "Mavourannahr" -the land between the two rivers was a united nation. But, it happened so that, most of the great names were born or lived and got famous in the territory of current Uzbekistan: Amir Temur (Tamerlane) - one of the greatest conquerors of all times, by the way, he saved Europe from the great Ottoman khan - Bayazet! Alisher Navoi - by many, the greatest poet ever lived, he outchallenged the dominant Persian poetry of his era with his works written in the early forms of modern uzbek language! Imam Al Bukhari - the man who did the most in the history of Islam, after the holy prophet - Muhammad. Has done an enormous task of sorting the correct Khadiz's from false ones, the result - "Jamiah As-Sahih" the guide for Muslims after the Holy Quran. Abu Ali, Ibn Sino (Avicenna) - The doctor of doctors, his books were the basics in european medicine for over 500 years after his death. Although, a great mathematician, physivian, chemist, poet, .....and many more Mirzo Ulug'bek - one of the greatest, if not the greatest astronomer of all times, you just should have a look at his observatory in Samarkand - a miracle! Abu Rayhon Beruniy - The master of knowledgs of his time, it is believed that long before, he found that the Earth was round, and he new that there was a New World not known to men at the time(later, Columb arrived at that land Al Khorazmiy - do you know from where the subjects and words Algorithm or Algebra have arrived, well after his name. BoburMirzo - the founder of an entirely new, great and famous empire in India, which lived up to many centuries (know who built the Taj Mahal? one of his predicessors - Shah Jahan) Jaloliddin Manguberdi - one of my favourite heroes! He fought against the great mongol emperor - Chingiskhan(Temuchin), he had a battle where he was 20 times outnumbered by the opponent, but still made nightmare for the great Chingiskhan that he would never forget since then. Although, he had simply no chance, he never gave up - eventually choosing death both for his kids, wife and himself, rather to get in the hands of mongols. Later, Chingiskhan has stated with sorrow: "I would give everything, if only I had a son like Manguberdi", thus aknowledging the greatness of this true hero of my country, and personally myself!! p.s. I could have gone a lot more, but I think this should be enough for now! Hope you like the list! and can anyone offer me, something that can come close to these people? ------------- "Power is in fairness...!" - Amir Temur (1336-1405) |
Posted By: Bosniakum
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 15:48
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Attila the Hun who was a mongol and came to Europe almost a millenium before the Turks and Tamerlane who was also from another mongol tribe almost destroyed the Ottoman Empire, so they really having nothing to do with todays Turks, and you claiming that is like a Bosnian or Serb saying that Peter the Great of Russia was one of their historic figures only because Bosnians, Serbs, and Russians are all slavic. Really now it is a very bad correlation. No offense. ------------- "I krv svoju za Bosnu moju" |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 16:09
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I agree with Bosniakum, I was also arguing against this stupid ideaology. Is Brian Boru a hero of Scotland, is Vercingetorix a hero of Ireland? Answering yes to both of these questions would be the same as what Suevari has been saying.
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Posted By: avar
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 16:42
I can not say certain things about Attila but Tamerlane's a Turk! He was speaking Turkic language, his negative relationship with Ottomans does not mean something about his etnicity |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 16:51
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Yes, Tamerlane was a Turk. His father was the head of a Turkic-speaking Mongolioan tribe. However, Tamerlane was a Mongol Emperor. He did nothing for the Turks, and should not be considered a modern day Turkish hero. He slaughtered the Turks in the Battle of Ankara.
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Posted By: Bosniakum
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 17:20
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There is a big difference between ethnicity and nationality, yes Tamerlane was a turk in the sense that modern day turks(from turkey), mongols and so on come from the same subrace as do Bosnians, Serbs, Croatians, Ukranians, Poles, Russians etc., but that in no way does link Tamerlane to the modern state of Turkey, except that he almost destroyed the Ottoman Empire which would have lead to the nonexistance of the modern Turkish state. ------------- "I krv svoju za Bosnu moju" |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 16-May-2006 at 06:56
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Yes, Bosniakum, that was my same exact point about Atilla the Hun.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18-May-2006 at 06:19
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For Australia
1.The ANZACs, heroes from our first war as a nation.
2. Edmund Barton, 1st PM.
3. Peter Lalor, Leader of the Eureka Stockade.
4. =Banjo Paterson and Henry Lawson, formulate Australian identity.
5. Don Bradman, greatest batsman cricket has ever seen.
6. Sir John Kerr, vestige of British Power.
7. Sir Arthur Philip, established Colony of NSW.
8. Captain James Cook, British but discovered East Coast.
9. Robert Menzies, longest serving PM.
10. John Howard, Current PM and international statesman.
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Posted By: John the Kern
Date Posted: 24-May-2006 at 13:54
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Of the Country i live in (England)
Alfred the Great
William the Conquerer
Queen Victoria
Of the Country my family comes from
Brian Boru
Micheal Collins ------------- My peoples tale is written in blood |
Posted By: Gargoyle
Date Posted: 27-May-2006 at 16:01
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I will have to disagree with you on that one Disraeli. The most important people in Australias History are: 1. Russel Crowe - Excellent weapon handling skills especially Telephones. 2. Elle MacPhearson - Excellent Body. 3. The Crocodile Hunter - Excellent Animal skills 4. Paul Hogan - Excellent plastic surgery. 5. Ian Thorpe - Excellent fake Tan. ------------- |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 27-May-2006 at 21:58
I hope you are kidding. -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28-May-2006 at 06:43
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I think that in Albania after Gjergj Kastriot Skanderbeg we can consider Mother Teresa as the most important figure. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 11:57
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For Britain, important people in history include...
William Shakespeare
Sir Isaac Newton
William the Conqueror (who was actually from France)
Queen Victoria
Winston Churchill
Lord Admiral Nelson
Oliver Cromwell (Only person ever to be non-Royal Head of state of England).
Charles Dickens
George Orwell
JRR Tolkien
John Mills
Alfred Hitchcock
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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 17:36
I like Hitchcock's film too, but is he really more important than Queen Elizabeth I, or did you just simply forget her? ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 18:44
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For Armenia: 1) Mesrob Mashtots (creator of the alphabet) 2) Hovhannes Toumanian (poet) 3) Sayat Nova (troubadour) 4) Komitas (composer) 5) King Trdat III (king when Armenia accepted the Christianity) 6) King Tigranes the Great (Armenia as a world power, albeit for a short while) 7) Aram Khachaturian (composer) 8) Movses Khorenatsi (historian from the 5th century) 9) General Andranik (fought to save whatever was left of Armenia after 1915) 10) Garegin Njdeh (same as above) ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 18:59
I was just naming a random few, in no particular listing.
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Posted By: Red4tribe
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 20:18
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The most important person in American history is George Washington.He led the troops that defeated the British in the revolution and was the first priesident,and a good one. ------------- Had this day been wanting, the world had never seen the last stage of perfection to which human nature is capable of attaining. George Washington - March 15, 1783 |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 20:31
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Dr. Suess. The guy knew how to make me laugh in my formative years. ------------- |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 06:58
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Bosniakum
There is a big difference between ethnicity and nationality, yes Tamerlane was a turk in the sense that modern day turks(from turkey), mongols and so on come from the same subrace as do Bosnians, Serbs, Croatians, Ukranians, Poles, Russians etc., but that in no way does link Tamerlane to the modern state of Turkey, except that he almost destroyed the Ottoman Empire which would have lead to the nonexistance of the modern Turkish state.
There are so many misconsceptions and a lack of knowledge about Timur. His aim was to unite all Turks and their Beyliks. Timur wrote a letter to Bayezid of the Ottomans to join together. This is where Bayezid made his big mistake, he dismissed Timur's offer and thought he was the greatest. The Ottoman Empire was getting powerfull, the Beyliks had been united but Bayezid was starting to neglect them, not appreciate their role and started living a life of luxury not caring about important state affair.
Timur angered by Bayezid's insults, lack of forsight and neglect of his Turkish powerbase marched in. He guaranteed to give the Turk people back their power, status and importance. The Turks and their Beys joined Timur, Bayezid was left without Turks on his side and was heavily defeated.
In the aftermath the power of the Anatolian Turks was recertified, the Ottoman Sultans after realised that there power lied with loyalty of their people the same people who they originally belonged to and rose to power from. The Turk Beys enjoyed an important status and states like Karakoyunlu, Akkoyunlu etc
Timur made the Ottomans realise and stop their mistakes early, he helped them mature and become the world-super power that they became a hundred years later.
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Posted By: Aster Thrax Eupator
Date Posted: 05-Aug-2006 at 05:36
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Kommenois, I would definatly dispute JRR Tolkien as a British major historical figure. Although his books have become childrens classics, and they do have pieces of Anglo-Saxon myth behind them, he is not that huge a figure. I think its' because of this film that most people seem to have this misconception. ------------- |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 05-Aug-2006 at 14:43
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I agree with Earl Aster, I don't think authors are more important than historical figures in the history of Great Britain(united or not), for eample James I, Adam Smith, Elizabeth I, Richard I, John Knox, Henry VIII, etc.
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 05-Aug-2006 at 21:46
Lets try: 1) Bradman (for having at batting avg of 99.96) 2) Captain Cook (for opening up British colonialism) 3) Whitlam (for giving a hard kick when it was needed) 4) Bradman (for having at batting avg of 99.96) 5) the man who named Lake Disappointment ------------- |
Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 05-Aug-2006 at 22:16
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Since the country i Live in is America (a.k.a) the center of civilization of the world, i will have to say the most important person of that is
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Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 05-Aug-2006 at 22:29
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Ponce, I hope that is a joke. America is a secular country, and only religious fanatics want to change it that way. Our founding fathers are the most important people in our history, not some prophet.
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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 05-Aug-2006 at 22:32
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The declaration of Independence has the word "Our Creator" and I interpret that as Jesus.
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Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 06-Aug-2006 at 09:15
So what, the Declaration of Independence was not written by Jesus(and neither was the Bible). Jesus has no important part in our country's history, I doubt the man even knew that there was an American continent. -------------
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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 06-Aug-2006 at 22:51
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I said that "I" meaning just me, interpret the declaration as including Jesus. I am not saying it is fact.
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Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 06-Aug-2006 at 22:56
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Lonce de Peon, would you stop distorting facts? It is not humorous.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06-Aug-2006 at 23:38
Lighten up, this forum does not need either Christian or Atheist Fundamentalism, both are just as bad as each other. ------------- |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 09:11
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First, I'm an agnostic, not an athiest. Second of all, athiest fundamentalism is a heck of a lot better than Christian fundamentalism. I doubt you know what true Christian fundamentalism is. Third of all, Jesus has no real part in my country's history, and to say so shows Christian bias.
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Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 09:45
Although I do agree that he was not a major figure in the shaping of England, I think you underestimate his work. There are not simply pieces of myth behind them. The more I learn about Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian early medieval culture, the more I realise the genius behind the books, not just the LOTR, but also very much the Silmarilion. Nothing in his books is accidental or simply made up for the heck of it. Everything has its roots in real literature and culture. It is amazing...
Sorry for the off-topic post.
on topic: For the Netherlands the most important figures must be William of Orange-Nassau and his sons Maurits and Frederik-Hendrik.
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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 15:09
Hey! Just remember what our pal Stephen Colbert says! "Isisnt the term agnostic really an atheisit without balls?" ------------- |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 16:07
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Nice joke, Ponce.
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Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 16:42
Probably not Barbarossa, but His followers, Christians, has been THE most influental and powerful part in the US history ever since the Declaration of Independence - and they still are.
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Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 19:05
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I never said that was not true. But Ponce is acting like the founding fathers were such good Christians even though two of the founding fathers, Jefferson and Washington, were non-Christian deists.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 20:59
And?....
I've heard Fundamentalist Atheists rant and rave about prominent scientists and others (I can't remember the name of the most recent one), who have 'converted' from Atheism to Deism calling them 'cowards' among other things.
Atheist dogmatism is just as bad as Christian dogmatism, both lead inexorably to either theocracy or state atheism.
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 21:44
Only just.
The two are very similar, I've never heard of an militant atheist yet. Which is why you get a 'just' ------------- |
Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 22:01
Two of them may not have been. But the other ones were!\ God Bless the USA!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 22:08
And who has the most power, athiest fundamentalists or Christian ones? And the very fact that there is a disproportianate number of Christian fundamentalists compared to athiest ones. This forum is full of athiests, yet there is not one athiest fundamentalist. Yet I have seen many Christian fundamentalists(doesn't necessarily mean evangelicals). Also, the athiest fundamentalists do not have programs on television designed to steal money from people. -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2006 at 06:37
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Doing a top 10 most important portruguese personalitys is hard
1- Afonso Henriques ( 1st king, defeated the armies of islam )
2- Luis Vaz de Camőes ( greatest literary figure )
3- Infante Don Henrique ( the man behind the portuguese discovery saga )
4- Vasco Da Gama ( the man that discovered the path to India by sea )
5- Nuno Alvares Pereira ( the hero against the spanish invasions )
6- Viriato ( the hero against the roman legions )
7- Fernando Pessoa ( biggest poet )
8- Pedro Alvares Cabral ( The man that discovered Brazil )
9- Bartolomeu Dias ( the first man to cross the Cape of Good Hope )
10- Pedro 1 ( great king, inspiration for Shakespeares Romeu and Juliet )
and i could continue ...
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Posted By: Great Khan
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 13:06
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if there is a God i hope he will forgive you the words ''USA center of civilization''What did USA made a? Every scientist is from Europe or Asia. And USA is a country not CIVILISATION. IM sorry to say it (nothing against usa realy) but USA is a country like many others that my country has seen for 1400 years and probably it will dissapear like these other countries.Civilization is in Europe and Asia. |
Posted By: Jeru
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 14:20
Not true!There were many great civilizations in America(including USA) but European colonists extinguished them.
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Posted By: Aster Thrax Eupator
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 14:26
Yes, but those "Civilizations" do not reflect at all historically on the modern American people. The modern American people (USA) are a melting pot of cultures and peoples. Great Khan is just pointing out (and quite rightly too) that the modern USA is not a civilization but just a nation. No offense, but this is true. ------------- |
Posted By: Jeru
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 14:48
I was mostly reffering on "Civilization is in Europe and Asia".
Never said that modern USA is a civilization,it's more of a mutliculture nation.No offence taken
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Posted By: Aster Thrax Eupator
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2006 at 05:35
I'm sorry, but i don't think that sportsmen can be counted as very important figures
Yes, i can appreciate that Tolkien did produce an interesting and evokative work, but people treat it (only after the film) as on a par with books like "Crime and Punishment". And even if he was a great writer, he cannot be considered a very large figure in the sum of british personallities. If you want to have your opinion about him, thats' fine for you, but i don't think that you can place him in a list of leading Britions
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Posted By: Barbarroja
Date Posted: 11-Sep-2006 at 06:04
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It's very difficult:
Ancient History: Hannibal, Asdrubal and Hamilcar Barca, Publius Cornelius Scipio, Octavio.
Medieval history: Recaredo, Almanzor, Abderraman III, James I, Alfonso X, Sancho III, Fernando III, Fernando II, Isabel I.
Early Modern: Columbus, Magallanes, Juan Sebastian Elcano, Hernan Cortes, Pizarro, Duque de Alba, Charles I, Philip II, Balboa, Cabeza de Vaca, etc. Philip V, Charles III, Conde-Duque de Olivares.
Modern History: Isabel II, Franco, etc. ------------- I'm sorry but my English is not very good. I'm from Vila-real (Valencia, Spain) |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 11-Sep-2006 at 08:11
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My country : 1. Mahatma Gandhi (founded the principle of Non Violence, in modern times) 2. Sardar Patel (Tried to unify India post independence - as much as he could inspite of Nehru) 3. Budhha (Founder of Buddhism, the religion) 4. Guru Gobind Singh (Founder of the martial sikh religion) 5. Mahavira (Rejuvenator of the Jain religion) ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 11-Sep-2006 at 08:11
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My country : 1. Mahatma Gandhi (founded the principle of Non Violence, in modern times) 2. Sardar Patel (Tried to unify India post independence - as much as he could inspite of Nehru) 3. Budhha (Founder of Buddhism, the religion) 4. Guru Gobind Singh (Founder of the martial sikh religion) 5. Mahavira (Rejuvenator of the Jain religion) Not in any order. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |