Serb Republic/Republic of Srpska/Republika Srpska
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Topic: Serb Republic/Republic of Srpska/Republika Srpska
Posted By: Milos Obilic
Subject: Serb Republic/Republic of Srpska/Republika Srpska
Date Posted: 12-May-2006 at 19:09
What's the general opinion here ------------- небески народ |
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 12-May-2006 at 19:23
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I was confused about this. I am assuming free the republic from Bosnia. When it is "free" will it stay free? or be part of Serbia and Montenegro. ------------- |
Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 12-May-2006 at 20:20
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I'm not going to tone down my response this time. It shouldn't be given independence because it is an entity established by ethnic cleansing and genocide. The international community should continue doing what it has done for the last decade - facilitate the return of Bosniak and Bosnian Croat survivors back to their homes of generations and clip a few feathers off the "republic's" wings every time they get a chance. I will not tolerate a state established on the blood of my people. If it is given independence, which would never happen, I will fight. Surely Serbian nationalists can understand, they feel the same way about Kosovo. So - never independent. And as for the last option - let the people of the Serb Republic decide? Yes, lets. And be sure to include the hundreds of thousands of Bosniaks and Bosnian Croats driven away in the referendum. My guess is we'll see the same results we say in our independence referendum in the 1990s. 99% in favor of Bosnia and Herzegovina with a 70-something per cent voter turnout. ------------- |
Posted By: YuGo
Date Posted: 12-May-2006 at 20:40
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My Opinion.... Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 04:50
This should really end any debate. ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 07:44
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Allowing independence for Republika Srpska would be equivalent to the de jure acceptans of the results of the Srebrenica Genocide and it would be a recognition of ethnic cleansing as a legitimate means of nation building. In short this entity should not be allowed independence, and should remain an integral part of Bosnia and Herzegovina. ------------- http://www.journalof911studies.com - http://www.journalof911studies.com |
Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 08:11
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Ideally Bosnia should stay together as a multiethnic state that respects the rights of everyone as equals. Bosnian serbs feel they are bosnian, from the ones i knew anyway. Self detirmation would be impracticacle. If they feel they want to be a part of serbia, well, then there will be problems in the future.
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Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 08:39
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I agree for the same reason and vote no. ------------- |
Posted By: Milos Obilic
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 13:10
95% of the RS Serbs want to see the Serb Republic independent. ------------- небески народ |
Posted By: Milos Obilic
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 13:25
there was genocide or massacre in Srebrenica. War crimes were on both sides. You cant say Serbs committed genocide when there was no specific intent to annihilate a group. It wasnt organized. If the Serb Republic is established on "genocide", then is the Croat-Muslim Federation, too. you people are being misled and brainwashed by western propaganda. you have no idea what really happened in Srebrenica. Some 300 muslim bodies have been exhumed in Srebrenica so far. Like what Gen. Mladic said, you want to tie our generals up and deport them to the Hague, and let the EU generals hanging out posters and propaganda to our kids. and lets not forget Sarajevo! 10.000 Serbs killed! Sarajevo is no multiethnic city anymore. You all support independence of Kosovo and Montenegro (two Serbian states) but not independence of the Serb Republic. what up with that??! Reality? Objectivity? WHERE?? ------------- небески народ |
Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 14:08
More than 300 bodies have been identified and burried in the Potocari
memorial cemetery, from the thousands pulled from mass graves and
currently being held in morgues, this year alone.  It's a well-documented process. 1. Exhuming the bodies from the mass graves.  2. Inviting families for clothing, following by DNA identification.  3. Sorting the bodies for burials, held typical 50-bodies at a time.  4. Burials at the Potocari memorial cemetery.  5. Praying for justice.  "By seeking to eliminate a part of the Bosnian Muslims, the Bosnian Serb forces committed genocide. The Appeals Chamber states unequivocally that the law condemns, in appropriate terms, the deep and lasting injury inflicted, and calls the massacre at Srebrenica by its proper name: genocide." (ICTY 2004, para. 37) The Commission for the Investigation of the Events in and around Srebrenica between 10th and 19th July 1995, published 2004. The Events in and around Srebrenica between 10th and 19th July 1995. There are similar resolutions from every European Union country except Greece and most United Nations countries, including the United States, Canada, Australia, France, Germany, and the United Kingdom. These are some of the more recent burials. You can count them yourself if you like, there's well over 300.   As for 10,000 Serbs killed in Sarajevo, I'll copy this directly: Among the more controversial topics regarding the siege of Sarajevo is the alleged ethnic cleansing that took place at the time. Namely, after several years in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s" title="1990s - 1990s characterised by denial of the widely held view of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb" title="Serb - Serb role in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_wars" title="Yugoslav wars - Yugoslav wars , a trend has developed in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s" title="2000s - 2000s where http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb" title="Serb - Serb nationalists have attempted to draw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniak" title="Bosniak - Bosniak and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croat" title="Croat - Croat parallels to such infamous examples of attrocities as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_Massacre" title="Srebrenica Massacre - Srebrenica . Regarding Sarajevo, the typical claim is that between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992" title="1992 - 1992 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995" title="1995 - 1995 , 150,000 Serbs were ethnically cleansed from Sarajevo, with several thousand killed. The allegations were brought to the media forefront in early http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005" title="2005 - 2005 when the premier of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republika_Srpska" title="Republika Srpska - Republika Srpska , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pero_Bukejlovi%C4%87" title="Pero Bukejlović - Pero Bukejlović , claimed that genocide was committed against Serbs during the siege of Sarajevo that exceeded that of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_Massacre" title="Srebrenica Massacre - Srebrenica massacre . Such claims are, upon careful analysis, fairly easy to refute. First of all, the often cited number of 150,000 ethnically cleansed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs" title="Serbs - Serbs is impossible, considering that there were only around 150,000 Serbs in Sarajevo. For such claims to be true, every single http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb" title="Serb - Serb in the entire Sarajevo region would had to have been ethnically cleansed. Furthermore, the number of killed and wounded in the siege of Sarajevo has been carefully documented. Out of 12,000 people killed, around one fourth were ethnic Serbs or people of Serbian ancestry. Taking into account civilian and military deaths, the number of Serbs killed is relatively proportional to the percent of the Sarajevo population they made up at the time. Aside from these documented victims there were, according to the International Red Cross http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/15f6aefee5857986c1256f6c00375638/d83f41da59f9502dc1256b66005f101f/Body/0.FDA?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif" class="external autonumber" title="http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/15f6aefee5857986c1256f6c00375638/d83f41da59f9502dc1256b66005f101f/Body/0.FDA?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif - [2] , there were only 242 ethnically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb" title="Serb - Serb missing persons in the Sarajevo area. When it's taken into account that the number of missing persons for various towns in eastern Bosnia is in the thousands, the Serbian claims are proven baseless. Furthermore, the ability of the Bosnian government to stage a genocide of such a magnitude while under siege and being perpetually bombarded is highly questionable. The Hague has yet to make any accusations for individuals that had a role in the alleged Sarajevo genocide, which cannot be said of most major centers of ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Commander Mušan Topalović Cace did commit crimes against Sarajevo citizens in 1993, but he was quickly liquidated by the government. Certainly it is plausible that some Serbs were ethnically cleansed, but more than likely these were isolated incidents and not a consequence of direct government action or strategy. Tellingly, though hundreds of mosques in Republika Srpska were demolished, no orthodox church was harmed during, or following, the siege of Sarajevo. Of course the question remains; what happened to the 100,000+ Serbs
who are no longer in the city? It must be noted that following the
siege of Sarajevo the population of the city had shrunk by around
250,000 people, meaning that besides Serbs 150,000 former citizens of
Sarajevo of different ethnicities were also no longer there. Ethnic
cleansing had certainly occurred in areas of the city held by Serb
radicals; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilid%C5%BEa" title="Ilidža - Ilidža ,
for example, had nine detention camps for non-Serbs. It is no secret
that Karadžić's intention was to split the city into two at a point
that would have required the ethnic cleansing of over 150,000 Bosniaks
and Croats. Once the war was over and Sarajevo firmly in the hands of
the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina" title="Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina - Bosniak-Croat Federation ,
it is understandable that many Serbs would not have wanted to stay in a
city where they would have been viewed with suspicion and been a clear
minority. In the communities of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grbavica" title="Grbavica - Grbavica and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilid%C5%BEa" title="Ilidža - Ilidža ,
seized by Serb radicals during the siege, Serbs looted and destroyed
what was left of the area to make life harsher for returning Bosniak
and Croat refugees. Upon the return of the ethnically cleansed, the
remaining Serb community was harassed and looked upon with suspicion,
pushing many more to leave the city as well http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/9603/12/" class="external autonumber" title="http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/9603/12/ - [3] . Thousands of the Serbs who had left the city by then went to what is today " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Sarajevo" title="East Sarajevo - East Sarajevo ",
a politically distinct Sarajevo suburb that in reality is virtually
indistinguishable from the rest of the city and home to a couple dozen
thousand Serbs. Leading up to the siege itself, the Serb forces
surrounding the city had allowed many Serb citizens to leave while
forcing members of other nationalities to stay behind. Today, Sarajevo citizens of all nationalities generally take accusations of ethnic cleansing in Sarajevo during the war as a highly offensive insult. In response to premier Bukejlović's statement, many have demanded a public apology to all Sarajevo citizens. The president of the Serb citizens council/Citizen's movement for equality, Mirko Pejanović, stated that "Nobody, not even Bukejlović, can change or cover up the truth for the sake of current political needs. In Sarajevo, during the four year siege carried out by Karadžić's military forces and the SDS, there were deaths of Sarayliyas of all ethnicities. The people were both suffering and dying from hunger, cold, they were being killed by mortar shells... among the 12,000 killed Sarayliyas recorded in the war, at least one fourth were members of the Serb nation or had Serb ethnic ancestry. Thus, we can not talk of an extermination or genocide of Serbs, but of a responsibility of the SDS and Karadžić's military forces for the overall extermination of Sarajevo and Sarayliyas, and within that of the Serb people". ------------- |
Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 14:26
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There's also, of course, http://www.ogrish.com/archives/six_bosnian_muslim_men_from_srebrenica_being_executed_on_video_Jun_02_2005.html - a video of the executions as well. ------------- |
Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 14:29
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Why is it so important to you that Republika Srpska becomes part of Serbia (which I have no doubt it will after independence)? What rights and freedoms are Bosnian Serbs lacking today that they are demanding unification with Serbia? Such a desire for seperation can only be related to strong nationalism and obsession with the idea of Greater Serbia (which lead to this whole mess anyway). I do not see what good will come of such a secetionist act. The borders of Bosnia and Herzegovina are inviolable and seperatism is unaccapetable, the only justification for seperatism would be if the human rights of the Serbs were violated in some way (like was the case with Kosovo Albanians), but I believe currently this is not the case. ------------- http://www.journalof911studies.com - http://www.journalof911studies.com |
Posted By: YuGo
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 15:26
| Bosnian Serbs do not want an independent Republika Srpska. They want a a normal, functioning multi-ethnic state, where they are not treated as second class citizens, and have full economic oportunities as the rest of the people in Bih. The only way for Bosnia and Herzegovina to become a normal, functioning state is for the Bosnian people to finally realize that they are Bosnian first, and Serb/Croat/Bosniak second. |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 17:55
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http://www.iwpr.net/index.php?apc_state=henobrnbalkans_humanrights_2001.html&s=o&o=archive/bcr/bcr_20010716_1_hr_eng.txt - http://www.iwpr.net/index.php?apc_state=henobrnbalkans_human rights_2001.html&s=o&o=archive/bcr/bcr_20010716_1_hr _eng.txt http://www.iwpr.net/?p=tri&s=f&o=261801&apc_state=henptri - http://www.iwpr.net/?p=tri&s=f&o=261801&apc_stat e=henptri http://www.iwpr.net/?p=tri&s=f&o=261568&apc_state=henptri - http://www.iwpr.net/?p=tri&s=f&o=261568&apc_stat e=henptri the result should be out sson. ------------- |
Posted By: Milos Obilic
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 22:08
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You guys hate us Serbs because we have always resisted the idea of foreign troops policing any peace in our country. As a heroic nation we are constantly surrounded by enemies. we have no real ally. ------------- небески народ |
Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 22:10
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It's all a conspiracy. You're not responsible for the consequences of your actions.
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Posted By: Milos Obilic
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 22:33
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All we are doing is defending the orthodox
christian faith to death and quite simply doing what is right rather
than what is convenient. We will never bow down to the enemy and always
will fight at all costs.
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Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 22:35
I agree. 
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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 22:39
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and how did you "defend" the orthodox christan faith??
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Posted By: Bosniakum
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 23:13
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Bosnia is for all Bosnians, meaning anybody who is from Bosnia and sees themselves as Bosnian no matter if muslim, catholic, orthodox, buddhist etc., but the problem with you people(not all) is that you do not accept Bosnia as your country. So because you do not see yourself as Bosnian you loose the right to decide what happens to Bosnia and its territories. ------------- "I krv svoju za Bosnu moju" |
Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 13-May-2006 at 23:24
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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 04:53
I am surely not the first one to have noticed that some of the most patriotic and nationalist people do actually not reside in the country that they have chosen to defend so fervently. It is thus no surprise that their judgements are somehow out of touch with the population that actually lives in their "home" country, and that their patriotic enthusiasm is the result of a distorted, nostalgic and thus outdated view. I have heard the above arguments for the first time approximately in the early 90s, when coming up with "conspiracy theories" was the most popular past-time in Belgrade, but since most people in Serbia-Montenegro have moved on, having discarded their persecution complex, and want nothing more than to join the community of European states, which are their natural allies in the effort to rebuild their country and to reach the living standard of other comparable nations. It might be the case that this is not of foremost interest to some Serbs who live abroad in relative stable and affluent societies, and who can from the safety and luxury of their air-conditioned homes abroad dream on the dream of a "Greater Serbia" and perpetuate the myth of a persecuted nation. That they thus do no great favour to their "home" country, on the contrary, seems completely irrelevant to those heroic patriots. My advice is, get real. ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 09:02
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Mine is dont, u wont like it. ------------- |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 09:37
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As for allies, serbia had a pretty big one. "Western diplomats have tried to remain sensitive to Russia's traditional alliance with the Serbs, but with the massive air strikes, Russia's sensitivities have been pushed aside. In response, Russia has issued a series of warnings against the West." http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/sep95/9-13/superpowers/ - http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/sep95/9-13/super powers/
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Posted By: Milos Obilic
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 09:59
komnenos you sound like me 10 years ago. First of all, the dream of "Greater Serbia" is invented by the NATO and American politicians, not by Slobodan Milosevic who sold out the Republic of Serbian Krajina, which we didnt lose in war, as well as , much of the western bosnia. "join the community of European states, which are their natural allies in the effort to rebuild their country and to reach the living standard of other comparable nations. " this is the most ignorant post I have ever read. I can only answer this by a question. Do you really think that the U.S. and the NATO pact are going to pay for all the damage they have made to the Iraq infrastructure and the damage taken on its citizens? Spreading their "democracy" through killing is no democracy!! ^ EU and NATO are the neo-fascist organizations. - just think, when all the NATO member countries decide to bomb one country (Serbia) what kind of "peacekeepers" are they?? Propagate democracy through antiserbian propaganda! dont be naive and banal ------------- небески народ |
Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 10:14
You are forgetting Greece and its media too - the biggest chearleaders for Milosevic, Mladic, Karadjic. ------------- http://www.journalof911studies.com - http://www.journalof911studies.com |
Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 11:57
Are you sure? There is some pretty strong competition around here. Have I, by any chance, touched a sore point?
I fail to see what the situation in the Iraq has to do with this. I didn't support the bombing of Serbia then, and certainly didn't support the US war against the Iraq. However it happened then, and now almost a decade later nobody really cares about this anymore, apart from a few wannabe patriots abroad, and a few elderly ex-Milosevic and Seselj supporters back home. The rest of the Serbian population wants to join their neighbours in the EU lead attempt to re-construct the economies in the Balkans, and to profit up-coming from Western investments. And if that means to hand over wanted war-criminals like Mladic and Karadzic to the ICTY, where they might get what they deserve, and to terminate that farcical puppet state, the so-called "Republika Srpska" and return it where it belongs, to BiH, do you honestly believe, anybody will in the long term object to that? Not a sausage.
You obviously have no clear idea what "Neo-Fascism" means. Look it up. Well, as said, I was against the bombing, but as it helped to finally get rid of the genocidal criminals then in charge in Belgrade, it, unfortunate for the population as it was, achieved something we can't regret. ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 12:36
u r right, u turk ------------- |
Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 13:06
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No vote, because:
There was no reason (my opinion) to break down Yougoslavia. |
Posted By: Milos Obilic
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 14:25
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"There was no reason (my opinion) to break down Yougoslavia." Yugoslavia; The Avoidable War, - English version, American production http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5860186121153047571&q=yugoslavia+avoidable+war - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5860186121153047571& amp; amp;q=yugoslavia+avoidable+war http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371060303901674397&q=yugoslavia+avoidable+war - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371060303901674397& amp;q=yugoslavia+avoidable+war guys, especially you Komnenos, take a look at this video! ------------- небески народ |
Posted By: Digenis
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 15:21
 So, why international community accepts the independence of Turkey ? (see Armenian,Pontic Genocides,massacres in Smyrna and the Kurds..etc) I think the only way is to look at the future with a democratic point of view.. attrocities were comitted by both sides-i wont try to investigate who did the most. The children of these regions cannot be blamed for these-the future belongs to them. These people must be free to decide about themselves! ------------- |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 16:21
its interesting. By who was the the video made? And what was the German interest in the division of Yugoslavia? ------------- |
Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 17:57
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That's what I have been wondering too. Anway personally I find this movie quite biased. First I thought it was ok, it was basically talking about the autrocities comitted against the Serbians, but then it started to get this air of trying to excuse Serb crimes and paint Albanians, Bosniaks, Croats in a really bad light by making these connections to the Nazis, Iranians, and at some point it even accused Bosniaks of "having too high a birth rate", which I find quite extreme. There of course should be more balance and the Serbian stories should be heard more, but this movie is extremely biased. ------------- http://www.journalof911studies.com - http://www.journalof911studies.com |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 18:57
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Well if this is biased then so is everything else on the Yugoslav
wars. This video is the first documentary that I have seen exploring
the Serb point of view. I have no doubt that Serb leaders who were called to the Hague tribunal carried out massacres of Bosniak muslims and their punishment was justified. However it is surprising that Bosnian, Slovenian and especially Croatian generals/commanders/politicians were not called to trial. This is where I believe the outcome of the conflcit was very unfair to the Serbs, since those who have perpetrated crimes against them were not punished (to my knowledge). One thing I found hard to believe was the open German support of Croatian rebel forces, the Croatian usage of the faschistic emblem of WWII as their national coat of arms and the lack of international condemnation, especially on the part of Germany, on the pro-faschistic views of the many croatian representatives. I believe support for the returned - Ustashe (I spelled it wrong...) government is apalling, alongside with the lack of media coverage on Ustashe and its past. With that being said, I believe the massacre that befall the muslims in Srebrennica can not be justified. And neither are the massacres that fell on the Serbs... ------------- |
Posted By: Death
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 23:35
Magyar BIG M,and not magyars!!!  lolI WONT vote ,but what if,what if....? |
Posted By: RomiosArktos
Date Posted: 15-May-2006 at 03:09
If there was really an open German support then this is really shameful for post-war democratic Germany,especially since the German governments try to be as sensitive as they can on issues having to do with the Nazist history of Germany.If really the Croatians had used emblems of WWII pro-Nazi Croatia then I think that Germany and the european community members countries should had severely critisized this.I think that the media generally in western Europe had been pro-Croatian rather than neutral.The same thing may have happened in the Greek pro-Serbian media towards the Serbian struggle(unfortunately,since the media MUST be objective and it was proved later that Serb side had also commited hideous atrocities) and I see here on this forum many people criticizing the Greek media whenever they have the opportunity, but nobody until now had ever criticised the media in western European democraties for being pro-Croatian rather than neutral and objective.... Shame |
Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 15-May-2006 at 05:33
| the hypocracy, RomiosArktos in some of these positions show some people here lack any genuinity in what they say. |
Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 15-May-2006 at 10:36
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Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 17-May-2006 at 09:17
Good question...The answer could change fundemantally your view of the Turkish history,as it would prove that what you have been taught so far are fallacious
 Back to the topic, The Serbian nation should realize the fact that the international community do NOT hate them...It is the hysteria imposed by their own politicians on themselves.
Nationalism,be it to an extreme degree or to the bottom, did not help and will not help the Serbian human beings.
Serbia can even in the foreseeable future be a member of the EU,called as a Neo-Fascist organization by a serbian member here , and gain acces to further cooperation with surrounding countries.
To my epilogue, I wanna remind Immanuel Kant to you guys.
''What is good for one is good for all.''  ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: Milos Obilic
Date Posted: 18-May-2006 at 16:19
Croats are a genocidal nation # 1 in Europe, - they have a genocidal nature. btw. I'm still waiting for some comments from those who had watched the doc. movie "Yugoslavia; The Avoidable War". ------------- небески народ |
Posted By: Socrates
Date Posted: 18-May-2006 at 18:44
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Croats are a genocidal nation # 1 in Europe, - they have a genocidal nature
U can't say all of croats are ustasha's...or even pro-ustasha's - there's honest people in every nation... ------------- "It's better to be a billionair for a lifetime then to live in poverty for a week" Bob Rock |
Posted By: xristar
Date Posted: 19-May-2006 at 11:21
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Even though I would love it, with my 56k connection it's impossible to me to watch this video. For the initial question, if the Serb republic should become independent, I have to say it is very difficult to answer, at least right now. On the one hand we have the argument that says that the Serb Republic in Bosnia was formed after the ethnic cleansing of its other non serb population. (I'm no expert on this subject, so I make my conclusions from what I read here. So, we assume this is true.) On the other hand we have to respect the will of the majority of the population of RS, which seems to be a union with Serbia. It has been only like 10-12 years, and it is difficult to say which argument weighs more. A decade is not a big time intervall, and we can always say that the RS lives a 'parasitic' (pure Serbian) life in Bosnia, that has to change (I mean a mixing of the population, and a weakening of the Serb element). On the other hand as years pass, after some more time (in like 10 years) the situation will have been stabilized, and the right to self determination of the Serbs of Bosnia will be undisputed. To sum up, because i may have confused you with what I want to say, I think that currently it may not be the time yet, for the RS to become indipendent. But in some years from now, as the situation will have matured, no one will be able to undermine the right of a homgenous people to decide their fate, unless of course we talk of a Bosnain oppression against Serbs of the country. To Mila I want to say that war is war, and a genocide is part of the war. My country has also suffered genocides and ethnioc cleansings. But you can't base on that and say that Smyrna is Greek, because afterall we lost the war, and ever since, Smyrna has become a Turkish city. The same goes for Cyprus. 200,000 Greeks were forced out of their homeland in northern Cyprus, occupied by Turkey now. But 30 years have passed since then, the turks have established their lives and have made families, you can't kick out the Turks now (or you'll commit an equally bad ethnic cleansing). We had our chance with the 'war' in 1974, now it's late. Bosnia lost the RS in the war, now, unless she commits attrocities like forcing an intermixing of the population or just kicking the Serbs out, she's gonna have to accept the results of her inability to save these areas. Afterall, the biggest victim of former Yugoslavia is Serbia, which not only saw her big land -rightfully?- get partitioned to other yugoslav subnations, but sees also her national homelands getting chopped off, like Kossovo, which was a crime of the world community against Serbia. One last thing, Greece does not support only serbia (which she certainly supports -Athens Belgrade axis - but also supports Bosnia for example with actual material (monetary) support.------------- 
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Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 19-May-2006 at 17:03
Don't be so pessimistic. Winning or losing a war can be used to establish a new political order, but can never serve as a justification for ethnic cleansing. Those Greek Cypriots that demand their fundamental human rights such as return to their homes have my full support and I believe that the TRNC should immediately and unconditionally provide a means of remedy for them (in fact a propery comission has been recently established in the North and it is now dealing with the cases of several Greek Cyprios). Although I am growing more pessimisitc about any future prospects of unification in Cyprus having in mind the negative results from the recent referendum, I am confident that the human rights of Greek Cypriots will be restored under the jurisdiction of the TRNC. There is simply no way today for a state based on ethnic cleansing to emerge as a respectable player in the international arena, and without first rectifying the wrongs done during their creations neither Republika Srpska and nor the TRNC will ever gain independence. First they must deal with the abnormalities and human rights violations which they are still causing. ------------- http://www.journalof911studies.com - http://www.journalof911studies.com |
Posted By: Milos Obilic
Date Posted: 20-May-2006 at 10:03
well said! ------------- небески народ |
Posted By: Milos Obilic
Date Posted: 20-May-2006 at 13:55
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"Don't be so pessimistic. Winning or losing a war can be used
to establish a new political order, but can never serve as
a justification for ethnic cleansing. Those Greek Cypriots that demand
their fundamental human rights such as return to their homes have my
full support and I believe that the TRNC should immediately
and unconditionally provide a means of remedy for them (in fact a
propery comission has been recently established in the North and it is
now dealing with the cases of several Greek Cyprios). Although I am
growing more pessimisitc about any future prospects of unification in
Cyprus having in mind the negative results from the recent referendum,
I am confident that the human rights of Greek Cypriots will be restored
under the jurisdiction of the TRNC. There is simply no way today for a
state based on ethnic cleansing to emerge as a respectable player in
the international arena, and without first rectifying the wrongs done
during their creations neither Republika Srpska and nor the TRNC will
ever gain independence. First they must deal with the abnormalities and
human rights violations which they are still causing." once again you are being brainwashed by the mass of western fascist media and politicians. If the Serb Republic (RS) was built up on "ethnic cleansing", "genocide" and "tyranny", then logically so was the Croat-Muslim Federation (FiBH). The crimes were committed by all three sides equally. But the Serbs are represented as a "monster nation" in western media unlike the Croats and muslims. It is because we have been fighting enemies through centries, always resisted, and have never given up (like Russians, - fight at all costs) unlike the rest of the Balkan nations. ------------- небески народ |
Posted By: Socrates
Date Posted: 22-May-2006 at 16:35
Russians - our bros : in 1878 they wanted great bulgaria on account of serbia;they supported the economic sanctions against us in 1992 and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to prevent the bombing of serbia in '99 although they easily could...and today they're playing with kosovo like their father left it to them- ko da im je caca ostavio...And they're claiming: we won't be serbian big brother anymore... ...they don't care about us - they're just using us to accomplish their own interests, and to show spite to the ''west''...------------- "It's better to be a billionair for a lifetime then to live in poverty for a week" Bob Rock |