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Baluchis in Pakistan Printed From: History Community ~ All Empires Category: Regional History or Period History Forum Name: History of the South Asian subcontinent Forum Discription: The Indian sub-continent and South Central Asia URL: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12747 Printed Date: 21-May-2024 at 20:41 Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 9.56a - http://www.webwizforums.com Topic: Baluchis in Pakistan Posted By: kingofmazanderan Subject: Baluchis in Pakistan Date Posted: 15-Jun-2006 at 15:09
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Posted By: Rajput Date Posted: 16-Jun-2006 at 19:25
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Posted By: Rajput Date Posted: 18-Jun-2006 at 19:54
http://gedroshian.tripod.com/gedroshian/index.blog?from=20050522 - ------------- “If God did not create the horse, he would not have created the Rajput.” |
I dont think this is a very good analysis for many reasons. But basically the fighting in Balochistan is of very low intensity. There is perhaps 15 pipe installation blasts a year, perhaps 20 casualties a year at most from a single battle.
The main cause of the fighting are the Sardars of Balochistan. These are basically the last couple of feudal lords who have lost power through changes in the law from years ago. The biggest one was Akbar Bugti, who's now on the run from Pakistan Army - his land which he got illegally and was charging money and services for use of, is now going to be divided up and given to the people of Balochistan, as it should have been done years ago. These Sardars oppose development of Balochistan because they need to remain in control of Balochistan for their own survival. Too much foreign investment is bad for these one or two Sardars, but good for the majority of the Baloch people, who know it. That is why the PML (Musharraf's party) was so popular in Balochistan in the last election. The investment boom in Balochistan will finish off the Sardars once and for all. They speak in two ways anyway, they claim that Balochistan is ignored by the federal government, but they are also against foreign investment in Balochistan, so they got to go. As for the gas that comes out of Balochistan, a lot of it does go to other parts of Pakistan, but this is because Balochistan's population is something like 7% of the Pakistani population, so it doesnt need so much gas. People like Bugti were paid very well for the gas that came out of those areas, though that wealth will be distributed to the people more now that he's out the picture. Balochistan is in need of water anyway, as it's a very arid region, unlike some of the other areas. Balochistan had a referendum and voted to join Pakistan in 1946, when it was formed a year later. Chowdry, oddly enough has it most correct imo. ------------- Quoo-ray sha quadou sarre................. |
http://gedroshian.tripod.com/gedroshian/index.blog?from=20050522 - |
Shahbash! there is an old saying amongst desis it goes something like this "mulleh ki daud masjid tak" ....first of all I can easily disprove your point of 3% baloch population but i'm not going to even bother more importantly I have a question....tell me are you related to Teldeinduz or does the quality of aruging like a baboon a registered trademark of all fakis? The fact that I completely obliterated your statements of baluchi resistance being recent was too much for you to bare and also realize that your faki army has been at odds end with these baluchis since the '70s...go read about Ramkhani and the BPLF and stop staring at the future of your country in that black and white picture .
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/pakistan1.htm - The Baloch Crisis
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Why don't u "easily" disprove my statements first? then throw with smuther. Don't let me start about ur 'brave' urine drinking, penisless army. THE Indian Army is fitting some of its toughest frontline troops with inflatable penile implants in a bid to boost army morale.
Impotency is becoming a serious concern for the country's élite soldiers stationed in http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2GWLMB1C4B2KTQFIQMFCFFOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2002/01/14/wind214.xml - the disputed mountain territory of Jammu and Kashmir . Many of India's special forces are reporting "marriage problems" when they return from their tours of duty. Doctors at the army's Research and Referral Hospital in Delhi say that the combination of high altitude living and constant stress and exposure to trauma is sapping the sex drive of the soldiers. Col P. Madhusudhanan, an army urologist at the hospital, says that while many sufferers can be treated successfully with a combination of drugs and psychotherapy, some do require surgical intervention. "For those who don't respond to treatment we now offer an inflatable implant which is inserted into the penis, but we see this very much as a last resort," he said. It is easy to see why. Not only is the surgery expensive (about £3,500 per implant), the procedure involves sewing a bladder inside the patient's scrotal sac and a small pipe into his penis - the device is operated by squeezing the bladder to pump liquid into the pipe, thus creating an erection. An earlier procedure involving the insertion of a "semi-rigid rod" had to be abandoned when army doctors found that troops were being left with permanent erections. The hospital has fitted 12 soldiers with the collapsible penile implant, but Col Madhusudhanan admits that getting proud, battle-hardened troops to admit that they are underperforming in the bedroom has been fraught with difficulty. "Of course there is some hesitation," said the urologist. "But to a doctor they talk quite openly. With us there is no problem about discussing their medical problem." However, in the macho world of the Indian Army, wives are not invited to take part in the pre-surgical consultations. "Generally we don't speak to the partners," said Col Madhusudhanan. "We leave that to the soldiers." While impotency is not uncommon in the Indian Army, doctors say that soldiers serving in the mountains of Jammu and Kashmir are particularly vulnerable because of altitude problems combined with stress. According to Martin Wilkins, a professor of pharmacology at Hammersmith Hospital, in London, people living at high altitude produce the enzyme phosphodiesterase which restricts blood flow to the penis, causing it to droop. Phosphodiesterase also restricts the ability of the lungs to absorb oxygen, a common complaint among mountaineers. Soldiers patrolling the Line of Control between Indian Kashmir and Pakistan are often described as fighting on the world's highest battlefield "an extreme alpine environment of glaciers, ravines and snow-capped mountains rising to 21,000ft above sea level". India and Pakistan have been locked in a bitter dispute over the control of Kashmir since the Partition of India in 1947. Although the Indian Army is reluctant to reveal any operational details of its deployment in Kashmir, Pakistan claims that India could have as many as 700,000 troops stationed in the disputed province. George Fernandes, the Indian defence minister, can only hope that altitude-induced impotency is not spreading along the front line in Kashmir. Otherwise he might be looking at an unforseen - and perhaps embarrassing - blow to India's already massive defence budget http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/05/05/wpen05.xml - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/05/05/wpen05.xml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5044436.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5044436.stm
I won't even start about khalistan, kashmir, assam and ton's of other issues. Just wait untill i have more time, then ur bhindi propoganda will all be waisted.
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Please do try, I'd like to see. This sounds like another one of those instances of treading in a pile of excrement you just laid out, one other instance being when you didnt realize Ikhwan-ul-Musalmeen was a pro-Indian renegade outfit in Kashmir territory.
Here's some help on the subject. In 1998, Balochistan's population formed 5% of the total Pakistan population. Of these around half are non Baloc, which means around 2.5% are Baloch. 3% is quite a good estimate, so he's quite correct in what he says.
http://www.mopw.gov.pk/census.html - http://www.mopw.gov.pk/census.html
Some sites say about 8 million total Baloc's in Pakistan which is around 5% of the population
The number of Baloc speakers is around 3% too
http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/statistics/other_tables/pop_by_mother_tongue.pdf - http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/statistics/other_tables/pop_by_mother_tongue.pdf
3-5% is a fair estimate.
Perhaps you didnt notice my avatar was dedicated to you? I know, I had to approximate the resemblance only since you backed out of posting your picture that was going to make everyone "wet their kameezes" (with laughter ), but I do believe it's a fine representation if I make a few adjustments to accomodate some saffron cladding.
Clueless..The tribes you refer to are at most 90,000 each. If everyone in those tribes were fighting it would come to a puny force of 180,000 at most (including women and children), which forms 6% of actual Baloc's in Balochistan or 3% of all the people in Balochistan. This in turn is a fraction of a per cent of the people of Pakistan. You've probably got ten times more trouble with the Naxals in India!!
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Ahhh, something must have scared them.. ------------- Quoo-ray sha quadou sarre................. |
1) The Telegraph really hates us and arn't exactly the best of sources 2) Hey, if it makes them feel like bigger men, then implants for all! |
Christ maybe the fact that your typical faki only takes a shower every 2 weeks and in those intervals only performs 'WUZU'....maybe thats what scared them....
I was under the impression that your avatar was dedicated to the progeny that are better known as Mohommadans and forget the saffron cladding and hand your abu jaan (langoor in your avatar) a kufi, musallah and a tasveeb it will surely secure him a spot in heaven. ------------- “If God did not create the horse, he would not have created the Rajput.” |
Ahhh, I disagree this to be the case for giving penile implants to the Indian Army. Proof is in the method of "purification" being sold to Indians currently - what could be smellier than an Indian using the following beautification products?
Cow urine touted as cure-all in IndiaLotions, potions and pills flying off shopkeepers' shelvesCow dung toothpaste? You won’t believe how quickly some of the products sold out,” says Manoj Kumar “Once they use it, they are coming back and they are bringing their friends and their family and their neighbors back with them,” says Kumar.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7052249/ - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7052249/
There's plans for hair products based of cow excrement too in India, as explained in the article
“I’m tempted to try something for the hair — let’s hope,” he grins, running his fingers through his thinning crop.
I guess you won't be using the hair one anyway
Lol, how ignorant you are..Your Rajputs claim to be descendants of a certain Rama, who raised an army of monkeys to fight Ramayana (nothing much seems to have changed with the Indian Army )
"After sleeping for six months he is awakened with the greatest difficulty, and has to be fed vast quantities of meat and vats of blood and wine, before assisting his brother Ravana to repel the attack of Rama and his monkey allies"
http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/themes/asianafricanman/ramayana.html - http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/themes/asianafricanman/ramayana.html
For your viewing pleasure, courtesy of the British Library
http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/themes/asianafricanman/ramayanalge.html">
Ramayana: Rama and his allies begin the attack on Lanka, by Sahib Din. Udaipur, 1649-53
British Library Add. MS 15297 (1), f.20 Copyright © The British Library Board I may have raised some excitement within you, so I shall give you the address to get your hands on this bit of your ancestry ------------- Quoo-ray sha quadou sarre................. |
you two both give me a headache im not even going to bother even trying to work out how cow dung and monkies have anything to do with Baluchi's so to get you two back on topic could somone actually post the history of Baluchi's? I've always tried to avoid what i like to call "tribes and clans" history but i guess i got to go with the crowd. edit: actually could someone also tell me why pakistani's on the net tend to have so much against hinduism. For example, i googled "pakistan before the british raj" and all i got was hindu slamming sites. |
its called a qaramaat...something along the lines of mohommad 'splitting the moon' or 'jesus walking on water', and not only monkeys...other animals were also there and with regards to the Indian Army..well i'll just say that they found your budee bibis in 65 when the fakis abandoned them at the mercy of the indian army...
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Galleries/main.php?g2_itemId=909 - LINK TO PICTURE OF ABANDONED OLD WOMAN BY THE 'BRAVE' FAKI FAUJ
yea thats Kumkaran and he was supposedly a demon...you know what those are dont you? or are you a diet mohommadan?...demons, gins, ajuz majuz..hahahaha...lol idiot! go take a shower i smell your wuzu stink all the way out here! ------------- “If God did not create the horse, he would not have created the Rajput.” |
And then five hours later, they tucked their implants between their legs and were chased back to India . ------------- Quoo-ray sha quadou sarre................. |
LOLANI
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Rajput posted a picture from the Battle of Chawinda. Last time I cheked PA won that battle.
25th Cavalry stopped the entire Indian I Corps on its own.
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Not entirely true, Pakistanis may have had an upper hand in that battle primarily due to the http://mastersoftheskies.esmartstudent.com/new_page_22.htm - PAF Sabres who aided your cavalries. But, on a whole the pakistani army accomplished nothing remotely close to what the Indians did to them in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Longewala - Battle of Longewala where 120 some odd soldiers were able to repulse an attack made by 2000-3000 Pakis backed by another Regiment + Tanks.
Stank smell of faki wuzu is quite prominent in you! ------------- “If God did not create the horse, he would not have created the Rajput.” |
Two sqaudrons of Tanks, with no support from anyone else (the Sabres would show u much, much later in that nbattle), crewed by men, who had not even been fully trined in them, managed to stop and reple Fakhir-e-Hind (Indian Army 1 AD) part of the Indian I Corps.
This was on 8th of September, PAF Sabres were at the Lahore Sector (another Pakistani Victory I might # - add ) when the fight at Chawinda was taking place, making life hell for IA 15 ID.
The whole Battle of Chawinda took place from 8th September to 21st September when the Indians except for a small pocket were forced across the international border to their starting point, (and in some # - cases even beyond it).
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OMG, i couldnt believe the link as i clicked it open. Humurous, but a distraction from the topic of baluchis.
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I thought this was joke, I could believe it was actually real!! They say war and committing attrocities eventually catch up to people(i.e. soldiers, mercenaries, journalists) and that many of the syptoms begin showing up afterwards hence the term post-traumatically.
Going back to the original point of this thread though, I have many Balouch friends from various parts of Baluchistan(two closest are from Sibi and Quetta) and they are the first to vehemently oppose these Bugti and Marri warlords who have sabotaged pipelines and government developmental programs in their area for their own personal gain (mainly, the preservation of the centuries old feudal system, and preventing the dissemation of education through their traditional tribal holdings) I would say the vast majority of Balouch(>90%), Baluchi Pashtuns(100%) and Makaranis(100%) are pro-development and pro government. Infact, due to the trouble caused by the Bugti(from Dera Bugti) and Marri(Kohlu), many innocent tribal Bugtis and marris not involved with the terror campaign have also suffered considerably due to the tribal sardars. Only after government assurance and protection did many of them feel safe toreturn to their areas. One example of a tribe forcefully evicted from Dera Bugti was the cousin branch of Nawab Bugti himself who supported the building of schools, infrastructure and cantonment so that his area could be brought into the modern world. Only recently, several months back, were bugtis cousin 'repatriated' to Dera Bugti from ironically Panjab(Multan) under government protection, now knowing the government is their to help them, many are informing the government of the movement of terrorist in their areas and helping the security forces track down these terrorists for causing much damage to badly needed infrastructure and investment. If one looks at the fact that the current government has invested more money than it did combined over the last two decades, then the argument of government neglect & lack of attention dont hold sway anymore, at least for the current government officials who are actually trying to make right a past 'wrong'. But the process has already started, as the majority areas of Balochistan (especially the northern Pushtun belt and southern/western Makrani/western baluchi) who are infact desperately attracting the government to invest in their areas are benefitting considerably from the governments over-eagerness to develop their area to prove their sincerity. In the long run this will be good, as the tides are changing, and literacy rate is already shooting up, more and more Balouch are actively getting involved in mainstream Pakistani society via government, army, business, education,industries as well as through intermarriage with Pushtuns, Sindhis and Panjabis. With the full operational status of Gwadar, the pace of these reforms will only speed up more. The days of these last remaining sardars are basically nearing their end. ------------- |
The story suggests that the Balochs on the territory of modern Pakistan were the first to convert to Islam, and unlike the Punjabis they always had their own state, but the British came and gave the power of those destroyed, you just read the history of Pakistan through the eyes of Russians, the founders of this state are only mercenaries, terrorists, gay, idiots. Afghans deserve their state because they shed blood for these lands. What is Pakistan? The British revenge India for its rebellion, with the help of their puppets who have their own state of Pakistan from British origin. Marri and Bugti deserve their state. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marri-Bugti_Country#History |
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