Your Favorite Ottoman Rulers
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Topic: Your Favorite Ottoman Rulers
Posted By: ihsan
Subject: Your Favorite Ottoman Rulers
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 11:33
Who is/are your favorite Ottoman rulers?
Mine is obviously Sultân Mehmed II.
Portrait of Mehmed II drawn by Gentile Bellini
Tuğra (Signature) of Mehmed II
Apart from him, I also like Murad I, Mehmed I and Selîm III.
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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 13:39
WOW thats a cool signature!
I think I like Suelimon (bad spelling) th emost
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Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 04:35
Tobodai,do you think should have Suleiman conquered Germany?(he had the oppurtunity!)
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Posted By: Tonifranz
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 06:52
Suleiman the Magnificent!
He defeated the Hungarians at Mohacs, and conquered Hungary. He even besieged Vienna.
Originally posted by TheDiplomat
Tobodai,do you think should have Suleiman conquered Germany?(he had the oppurtunity!) |
He would be too overextended, and too far from his bases of supply. Basically, it was poor supply lines that caused the siege of Vienna to fail. Besides, Vienna during that time was considered part of Germany, so he tried, and he failed. Even if he conquered Germany, he would be too overextended to hold it for long. Plus he would have to face assaults from hundreds of German states, and the other powers of Europe.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 10:13
My favorite is Bayezid I who was surnamed "the Thunderbolt".
He took Konya, Antalya, Nidge, Karaman, Kayseri, Tokat, Sivas, Kastamonu, Amasya, and all Ancient Minor Asia as far as Euphrate. In Europe, he attacked Valachia, Hungary, Bosnia and during 7 years Constantinople.
He defeated Sigismond of Hungary and a Christian army composed of French, German, English and Italian knights, Bulgarian infantry and Hungarian army! It was the famous battle of Nicopolis.
Bayazed occupied Thessalia and Peloponnese (with Athens).
He was going to Roma...but Timur, an another genius, stopped him.
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Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 14:13
Many say Sultân Süleymân I was the greatest Ottoman ruler, but I disagree with them (incluiding professional historians).
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Posted By: TJK
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2004 at 17:44
Many say Sultân Süleymân I was the greatest Ottoman ruler, but I
disagree with them (incluiding professional historians). |
What is the reason of your disagreemnt ? The problem of succesor to throne ?
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Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2004 at 11:15
Many say Sultân Süleymân I was the greatest Ottoman ruler, but I disagree with them (incluiding professional historians). |
I also wondered...
Btw my favourite is still Sultan Mahmud II.
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Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 15:49
Originally posted by TJK
What is the reason of your disagreemnt ? The problem of succesor to throne ? |
He killed two of his sons; one of them would have been a very good administrator and the other one was a very good warrior. He also spent most of the state treasury on endless wars with Safavid Iran and the Habsburgs.
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Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 09:07
He killed two of his sons; one of them would have been a very good administrator and the other one was a very good warrior. |
Oh,you must hate Sultan Selim I.
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Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 13:27
I don't like him much either
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2004 at 23:08
The greatest ottoman sultans were:
Sultan Suleyman Kannuni I, Sultan Mehmed II Han El-Fatih, Sultan Selim I Yavuz, Sultan Bayazid I Yildirim, Sultan Koca Murad II, Sultan Murad I Gazi, Sultan Murad IV, Sultan Bayazid II Veli, Sultan Mahmud II, Sultan Mahmud I, Sultan Abdulhamid II, Sultan Mustafa II and Sultan Selim III.....
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Posted By: Gallipoli
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 10:25
Selim III and Mahmut II. I think Mahmut II. was the Ataturk of the Ottoman Empire...
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Posted By: Berosus
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 20:57
Suleiman would have had to kill more than just those sons, if Selim I
hadn't done the grisly job for him. Remember that in the 15th and
16th centuries, it was required that a sultan have his brothers
strangled with a silken bowstring, so that there would be no power
struggle for the throne. That is part of the reason why the
Ottoman Empire was the most efficient Moslem state in history.
When the latter sultans took to confining the princes in separate
apartments, with the heir to the throne in a two-story tower called The
Cage, the solution turned out to be worse than the problem.
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Posted By: Moustafa Pasha
Date Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 22:54
Ghazi Sultan Mehmet II :He was he true founder of the Ottoman Empire.He established an empire in Europe and asia with its capital at Istanbul,which was to remain the nucleus of the Ottoman Empire for four centuries.He used the title"Sovereign of the two lands -Rumelia and Anatolia-and of the two seas-Mediterranean and the Black Sea.He was a warrior who strove for world dominion but who was at the same time a man of tolerance and culture.
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 22:59
suleiman, the best leader the ottoman empire ever had, and he took the ottoman empire to its height. after him it was a slow decline.
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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 05:53
Pers4life; I agree suleiman whas the greatest but in his times the declining of Ottomans begon. He killed his oldest son Mustapha who's should the next Padishah/sultan, reason whas that he did try to talk with the Saffavids -whas actually a rumour about it. Tough he knowed it whas a wrong decission to hang him up...
No one mentioned II Abdülhamid, because of him we won the WWI, he let opened engineering schools, military schools, many universities, let made raillways from Istanbul till Mecca!
Because of him the Ottoman empire survived 33 years longer then expected...
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 13:53
Originally posted by DayI
No one mentioned II Abdülhamid, because of him we won the WWI, he let opened engineering schools, military schools, many universities, let made raillways from Istanbul till Mecca!
Because of him the Ottoman empire survived 33 years longer then expected...
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do they teach you that in turkey? they say that you won the war?
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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 14:02
Yeah, we expanded our borders east,west and north, and lost from south.
what do you think about this?
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 14:09
wow, and these turks wonder why we say that they are learning propaganda.
instead of taking my word for it, i suggest your read on the subject of world war one yourself, from a non turkish source.
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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 14:18
I am joking, dont become so naive. we know, we lost ww1. what he means is, most probably we survived until colapse of russian, If ottomans fell before rusians, we would have realy bad situation.
By the way, what I said is true. After independence war, we expand our borders at three way(east,west and south), but they dont compensate what we lost at south.
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Posted By: Digenis
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 15:17
Mehmed V resad
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Posted By: Beylerbeyi
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 15:20
No one mentioned II Abdülhamid, because of him we won the WWI, he let opened engineering schools, military schools, many universities, let made raillways from Istanbul till Mecca!
Because of him the Ottoman empire survived 33 years longer then expected... |
This is not true. Thanks to Abdulhamid, we lost the First Balkan War, which we could have won, or at least have a less disastrous defeat, if we had the military in World War I (which was the Ittihat ve Terakki military, not Hamidiye military). Abdulhamid was paranoid, and he feared the military officers (he was right in that actually) so he oppressed everyone and kept the military weak. He didn't let the military train, and made them keep the equipment locked away.
Germans built that railroad, not him. Germans wanted to extend their influence to the East. Finally he didn't extend the life of the empire 33 years, he just stayed in power 33 years.
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 16:11
Originally posted by Mortaza
By the way, what I said is true. After independence war, we expand our borders at three way(east,west and south), but they dont compensate what we lost at south.
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thats not world war one though. the war of "independence" from ottoman ruel happened after world war one. it was a totally different war.
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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 16:18
Attaturk is my fav
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 17:10
ataturk wasnt an ottoman leader.
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Posted By: ramin
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 17:32
the poor guy wanted to post smth about history for once... and you threw it in his face..!
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 17:39
Suleyman the Magnificient...
The bloody Sultan? the least favorite (well he is not actually a favorite) for
me...
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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 17:43
Originally posted by prsn41ife
wow, and these turks wonder why we say that they are learning propaganda.
instead of taking my word for it, i suggest your read on the subject of world war one yourself, from a non turkish source. | well sorry my mistake, i meand we won our independence war by him (abdulhamit).
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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 17:46
Originally posted by Digenis
Mehmed V resad
| hmm why is our Digenis became so friendly? Or did you read what whas on To Vima newspaper few days ago?
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Posted By: Neoptolemos
Date Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 21:20
Originally posted by DayI
Originally posted by Digenis
Mehmed V resad
| hmm why is our Digenis became so friendly? Or did you read what whas on To Vima newspaper few days ago?
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Something tells me that Mehmet V will become my favourite as well What was on Vima newspaper? Do you know how many days ago?
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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 30-Mar-2006 at 00:34
Mhment the conquerer if my favorite, i also admire Orkhan and Bayazit I.
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Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2006 at 16:32
I think Muhammed II al Fatih and Bayzid I was the best Sultans in all directions even though the defeat of Ankra 1402 A.D Bayzid still a great sultan he build the real foundation of the empire and what ensure that was the quick revival after collapse.
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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2006 at 17:50
Originally posted by Digenis
Mehmed V resad
| i think youre also wright, his 2 sons where brilliant soldiers, one of them even got the highest medaillon of the germans.
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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2006 at 17:52
Honestly my favorite is ataturk
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