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Topic: Greatest Warrior of All times
Posted By: Balain d Ibelin
Subject: Greatest Warrior of All times
Date Posted: 21-Jul-2007 at 01:36
Well.... what's your favoutrite Warrior of all times??
 
You can also score by its fighting 'greatness'


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Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 21-Jul-2007 at 23:32
What can I say but knights? They may have lost many battles but they won the war for hearts and minds. The knight code is still at the basis of Western thinking. 

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Posted By: Athanasios
Date Posted: 08-Sep-2007 at 22:09
I'd choose a warrior who kills with his own hands, not uppon a horseback , shooting from 200 metersThumbs%20Down

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Posted By: Batu
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2007 at 17:26
knights look cool.but wearing tons of armour is not bravery.I prefer their Mameluke counterpart.

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Posted By: ConradWeiser
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2007 at 18:38
Best warrior?
 
The Berserkers! I mean, they took off their clothes, got hopped up on drugs, and ran into battle with big bad heavy weapons screaming taunts, obscenities, and stuff nobody could quite understand, at the top of their lungs!
Hug
I mean, who WOULDNT call that fun??
 
Berserkers weren't the most effective warriors (which is all relative anyway), but the certainly were the one-and-only best!
Cool
 


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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2007 at 19:00
Pirates.

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Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2007 at 20:46
Berzerkers all the way! 

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Posted By: ConradWeiser
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2007 at 21:25
Thumbs%20Up Yeah baby!!!!!!!Clap
2 Votes for the BERSERKERS!!!

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Another year! Another deadly blow!
Another mighty empire overthrown!
And we are left, or shall be left, alone.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2007 at 22:47

No Spanish knights? What about Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar: the Cid?

No warriors of the New World? What about the Inuits (defeated Norses), the Sioux, the Aztecs, the Mayans, the Jibaroes, the Mapuches? In the last group my favorite is Lautaro!
 
Too few options, I am afraid. 


Posted By: ConradWeiser
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2007 at 23:14
Yeah! 2 More BERSERKERS!!!!
 
This proves that they were definately the best!


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Another year! Another deadly blow!
Another mighty empire overthrown!
And we are left, or shall be left, alone.
-William Wordsworth


Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2007 at 15:48
My choice goes 2 fanatic football(soccer) supporters

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2007 at 13:08
Originally posted by ConradWeiser

Best warrior?
 
The Berserkers! I mean, they took off their clothes, got hopped up on drugs, and ran into battle with big bad heavy weapons screaming taunts, obscenities, and stuff nobody could quite understand, at the top of their lungs!
Hug
I mean, who WOULDNT call that fun??
 
Berserkers weren't the most effective warriors (which is all relative anyway), but the certainly were the one-and-only best!
Cool
 
I'd like to point out that if they had taken drugs like you state then I think that their reaction times would have been MUCH slower. Think about it, and compare to say modern day Angle Dust. Someone on Angle Dust hasn't exactly got the reaction rate of a cat.
I think they may have danced themselves into a frenzy, with the help of booze. You can still swing an axe pretty well when your drunk. Just swing it near the guy who appears 3 times..
 
That being said, I'm no expert on Bersekers.
But I agree, they were quite cool, Imagine being insulted by some massive Germanic guy wearing his B'day suit and hold some big ass axe. Screw standing there, ARCHERS! Please help!! lol...
 
In my opinion, Longbow is the best, Look at agincourt (spelling?) They massacre the French! This isn't a queation of bravery or honor, but of efficiency. And a long Bow can take out quite a few men... But like all units it has its downfalls like lack of armor.. But when used in correct situation, the pwn.LOL


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Posted By: Balaam
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2007 at 05:44
Originally posted by Shield-Wall

In my opinion, Longbow is the best, Look at agincourt (spelling?) They massacre the French! This isn't a queation of bravery or honor, but of efficiency. And a long Bow can take out quite a few men... But like all units it has its downfalls like lack of armor.. But when used in correct situation, the pwn.LOL
 
 
 
The longbowmen didn't win Agincourt.  The arrows that the english were using couldn't pierce the French knights armour. What did beat the French was the terrain, the heavy armour they were wearing slowed them down and when they fell over in the mud they couldn't get back up so many knights suffocated if they weren't lucky enough for some english fellow to come and kill them before they ran out of air.


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Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2007 at 05:57
This article gives a great overview of the battle, and concludes with an analysis of the Longbow, and its role at Agincourt.
http://www.allempires.com/article/index.php?q=battle_agincourt - http://www.allempires.com/article/index.php?q=battle_agincourt


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2007 at 07:08
Originally posted by Balaam

Originally posted by Shield-Wall

In my opinion, Longbow is the best, Look at agincourt (spelling?) They massacre the French! This isn't a queation of bravery or honor, but of efficiency. And a long Bow can take out quite a few men... But like all units it has its downfalls like lack of armor.. But when used in correct situation, the pwn.LOL
 
 
 
The longbowmen didn't win Agincourt.  The arrows that the english were using couldn't pierce the French knights armour. What did beat the French was the terrain, the heavy armour they were wearing slowed them down and when they fell over in the mud they couldn't get back up so many knights suffocated if they weren't lucky enough for some english fellow to come and kill them before they ran out of air.
 
True, thnx for that.
Dont know how i could forget...


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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2007 at 22:16
Woah! Where are the Tercios!?


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2007 at 04:00
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

Woah! Where are the Tercios!?
The what?
 


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Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2007 at 04:10
See this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tercio - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tercio

The tercios were basically a well trained and disciplined culmination of pikeman and musketeers, who earned a fearsome reputation among European warfare in the dawn of Early Modern Warfare.
Personally, I think that the reforms of Maurice of Nassau and then Gustaf's on top of them, created a superior group of fighting soldiers, but it is debatable.


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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2007 at 08:11
Originally posted by Athanasios

I'd choose a warrior who kills with his own hands, not uppon a horseback , shooting from 200 metersThumbs%20Down

have we been watching 300

our guys killed all your guys from a distance Tongue

But seriously

You should include the jedi aswel

you can only choose a warriors from certain periods and compare them.


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I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage


Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2007 at 11:14
Cavalry archers win hands down.

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2007 at 11:35
I prefer the NO Answer Warrior who reduces everyone to dispear by not answering any questions.

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Posted By: Athanasios
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2007 at 18:54
Originally posted by xi_tujue


have we been watching 300

our guys killed all your guys from a distance Tongue

But seriously

You should include the jedi aswel

you can only choose a warriors from certain periods and compare them.


Why do you say that? It's the common logic that you need more courage to feel the last breath of the enemy in your face rather than shoot from distance and run(not with your own feet of course...)

Where are your guys now, really?Tongue Killed by a close distance?


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Posted By: Ulrich Wolff
Date Posted: 23-Oct-2007 at 19:39
They are speaking of effectiveness of the warrior, not their courage.

I'd have to say knights.


Posted By: longshanks31
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2007 at 10:49
i voted gladiator because warrior is singular, and any gladiator who won many many fights and won his freedom must have been supremely gifted in one on one combat, many of the choices the soldiers relied upon comrades and comrades relied upon them, but gladiators were for the most part relied upon themselves and there singular ability.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20-Dec-2007 at 20:07
What about the Roman Legionnaires? Yes, they were no match for cavalry, but cavalry was no match for pikes, pikes no match for siege type weapons (eg. catapult, mangonel, etc.). Everything has its weaknesses!

The Legions had discipline (until the start of the Decline),  courage, solidarity, and they conquered a large empire and held it for centuries!


Posted By: Piedmon_Sama
Date Posted: 20-Dec-2007 at 21:51
I answered Knights, although eastern warriors like the Jannissaries, Mamluks and Hashshashin are awesome.  A Knight is the most diverse of the options listed here---he could be fighting on horseback or on foot, with lance, sword and shield or longsword, warhammer, battleaxe etc.


Posted By: Efraz
Date Posted: 16-May-2008 at 18:27
No Spartans? No Janissary?


Posted By: Sun Tzu
Date Posted: 19-May-2008 at 19:11
Hoplites because they demonstrated that quality was better than quantity on the fields of Marathon, Thermopylae, Arbela, and many more.

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Posted By: Sun Tzu
Date Posted: 19-May-2008 at 19:26
But then again, I think ol Chuck would take em all

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Sun Tzu

All warfare is based on deception - Sun Tzu


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-May-2008 at 20:05
I voted 'assassin' based on the notion that a skilled assassin picks the time and place of battle where he or she is statistically extremely unlikely to lose.

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Posted By: Slayertplsko
Date Posted: 19-May-2008 at 20:14
Chuck Norris probably.Cheers (I couldn't resist..sorry)


Posted By: Slayertplsko
Date Posted: 19-May-2008 at 20:15
Chuck Norris probably.Cheers (I couldn't resist..sorry)


Posted By: Batu
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2008 at 11:19
Bruce Lee kicked his ass in Game of Death !!!

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Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 26-Jul-2008 at 00:30
The byzantine Kilbanophoros hands down

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Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2008 at 22:32
Greatest warrior of all time is whichever one managed to manipulate his/her enemies perfectly to do what he wanted them to do without ever having to fight.

Hence, the greatest warrior of all time doesn't exist.


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Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche



Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 08-Aug-2008 at 02:42
Thats cowardly politics (sneer).

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Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 08-Aug-2008 at 03:03
Originally posted by Count Belisarius

Thats cowardly politics (sneer).


No, it's what the best warriors understand;
Only fight if you have to, and if possible, make sure you don't have to.

It's what every competent self-defense teacher will tell you, and have fun calling them cowards!

The ideal situation for the true warrior is one in which he never has to use his skills for anything other than exercise or practice.


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Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche



Posted By: Batu
Date Posted: 19-Sep-2008 at 22:52
another taoist Sun Tzu fan.no more lectures,go out there,show us some blood,fight,fight!!!!!Tongue

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A wizard is never late,nor he is early he arrives exactly when he means to :) ( Gandalf the White in the Third Age of History Empire Of Istari )


Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 20-Sep-2008 at 07:25
Originally posted by Batu

another taoist Sun Tzu fan.


No, just someone who cares more about survival than about showing off for the sake of gratuitous machismo.

Originally posted by Batu

no more lectures,go out there,show us some blood,fight,fight!!!!!Tongue


I have an allergic reaction to jail time.

However, given the right circumstances...Evil%20Smile


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Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche



Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 26-Sep-2008 at 01:17
Originally posted by Feanor

Cavalry archers win hands down.



Oh god, not this debate again...

Anyway, here's my pick(s)...


Originally posted by TheARRGH

I have several picks, actually.

First, in the Americas--the warriors of almost all of the various societies in Mexico during and shortly after the spanish occupation. Emphasis on the Mexica and the various cultures collectively (and pejoratively) known as the Chichimecs. Also, the Mapuche of chile and the Seminoles of the florida region were viewed (rightfully so) as particularly tenacious combatants.

There are some absolutely INSANE stories from spaniards about these people. Things like one warrior holding off two horsemen for over an hour, taking away one's lance, and fighting with it for another hour until being shot by a crossbowman. Like an enemy stabbed with two lances and continuing to hold off four opponents. Like arrows fired with such force they went through a horse's metal head armor, it's head, two thicknesses of mail and buckskin armor, and into a rib cage. Like an almost obscene level of courage and discipline, and a tenacity and ferocity that apparently suprised even veteran warriors from combat with the turks, who were considered absolutely deadly at the time.

Granted, a lot of the stories are probably exaggerated. Some of them could easily be outright lies. But even so, the picture that gets painted is one of truly deadly and skilled warriors--not just savage yelling steretypical barbarians, but shockingly disciplined, trained, inventive, and brutal combatants--and this was through the eyes of the people who conquered them. You've done something right if the people you eventually LOSE to are that impressed by your abilities.

In the Mediterranean, the Roman Legions. Disciplined, effective, almost mechanically precise. I'd consider their parthian enemies quite high on the list, as well. And during the Byzantine era, the Goths were...shockingly effective. They learned thir lessons well, ultimately.

In africa, the Zulu empire's warriors under Shaka. UNEQUIVOCALLY.  The nubian cavalry the Carthaginians used is a definite, as well--very, VERY highly regarded. The military of the egyptians, before being eclipsed by other powers, was very good.

In asia...well, it's big place and I don't know that terribly much about it. Probably too many to list, although the rajputs were apparently quite good, and I admire the mongols.

In australia, the Kangaroos. And the Saltwater crocodiles. And the snakes. And the spiders. Hell, even the SHEEP. And the people. ALL OF THEM.

Uh...that's all for now. Maybe I'll think of some more.


How many "best___" threads do we have now?





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Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche



Posted By: Darius of Parsa
Date Posted: 26-Sep-2008 at 02:38


How many "best___" threads do we have now?



 
Too many?


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24-Sep-2009 at 09:22
mamelukes and most of the mongol Cavalryman are Turkish.(Turks in mongol army) Late area janissaries are Turkish too.
My choose are them.


Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2010 at 18:52
I voted "others" when I cast my ballot!

Why, you might ask?

Well, for numerous reasons, I would contend that at one time the most feared fighting force man for man, was any force containing a contingent of "Catalans!"

I would hope that some of you might well be able to do some inquires without being led by a leash or by hand, to find out just why I feel this strongly about this particular group?

If, I find that most everyone here is unable to do any research upon their own initiative, then I will feel the need to "force feed you" the necessary info!

I certainly do not hope this is my only opportunity to make this case? Force Feeding, usually just makes one "Puke!"

So, please "start your engines?" (Search engines, that is!) Laugh!

Note, that it is an involved research, and it might well be beyond the reach for many of you? If, indeed there are really "many" of you still out there?
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Posted By: DreamWeaver
Date Posted: 17-Jun-2010 at 17:57
Gonna have to go with Chuck on this one.LOL

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Posted By: nemomn
Date Posted: 26-Jul-2010 at 08:27
so this vote is no point of voting because

those factions?!? (i think this is best to name them) they were best warriors on they time they proved themselves we have no right to judge them they all mights




Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 26-Jul-2010 at 08:31
Yeah, how come Chuck Norris isn't up there?  After all, they did name a bridge in Hungary after him.Big smile

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