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Topic: Apocalypse
Posted By: Vamun Tianshu
Subject: Apocalypse
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 22:32

Apocalypse.Is the world at a state of apocalypse,as said in the Bible.There are passages in the bible implying the coming of Apocalypse,especially relevant in the book of Revelations.The Four Horsemen of Apocalpyse,one for war,which is happening as we speak,one for natural disasters,which can show,for South Asia had a Tsunami,southern US and Carribean had 4 Hurricanes,volcano eruptions,and deadly earthquakes,one for disease plague,which might sweep southeast Asia,and one for hunger,which hasn't happen yet,or will it?Are you superstitious and believe in the Apocalypse?

There are also some messages in some hebrew inscriptions predicting the coming of the 9/11 event and,with the inclusion of the words "Two","Towers".Do you believe in the Apocalypse?



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In Honor



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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 22:40

HA HA HA HA HA HA

They actually had the gall to invite a bunch of religious kooks on news programs to talk about this like it was a legitimate discusiion.  PLease, alot worse has happened to the Earth before, the San Francisco quake, the extinction of the dinsosaurs, both world wars, the black plague, the influenza epidemic, numerous devastating volcano eruptions, astroid imapcts small and large, ....

The earth is a devastating and violent place, and just because one year happens to be slighly more deadly than another surely doesnt mean anyhthing per se has changed.

There are 3 ways humanity can end...naturally we evolve into something else or become obsolete in the natural world (least likely)

We nuke each other out of existence.

Or, we get hit by a large enough astroiud to cause mass extinction, this is the most likely way we will die.



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"the people are nothing but a great beast...
I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value."
-Alexander Hamilton


Posted By: Vamun Tianshu
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 22:42

I do not believe in an apocalypse.This all has to do with Earth,and the people that live here.Due to excessive industrial decisions,many have to face the consequence,because what we do with our environment can affect how the weather and the earth works.War is purely a doing of man,a barbaric incision through the hearts of many,something purely made by man.Disease is something you must live with,it is the germs and bacteria in the earth's atmosphere.As for hunger,blame it on agriculture,or a careless government seeking only its own salvation.

 



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In Honor


Posted By: sennacherib
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 22:44
But Tobodai. Bush is president of teh US! We're all gonna DIE!!!11!!1!


Posted By: Vamun Tianshu
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 22:46
Originally posted by Tobodai

HA HA HA HA HA HA

They actually had the gall to invite a bunch of religious kooks on news programs to talk about this like it was a legitimate discusiion.  PLease, alot worse has happened to the Earth before, the San Francisco quake, the extinction of the dinsosaurs, both world wars, the black plague, the influenza epidemic, numerous devastating volcano eruptions, astroid imapcts small and large, ....

The earth is a devastating and violent place, and just because one year happens to be slighly more deadly than another surely doesnt mean anyhthing per se has changed.

There are 3 ways humanity can end...naturally we evolve into something else or become obsolete in the natural world (least likely)

We nuke each other out of existence.

Or, we get hit by a large enough astroiud to cause mass extinction, this is the most likely way we will die.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.Religion was made by man,the Bible was made by man,inscriptions are made by man,the imagination of what one seeks or desires.Apocalypse or not,we must all live with what we have,religious propaganda and utterly useless documentaries aren't going to change whats happening to our Earth.



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In Honor


Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 22:48

Originally posted by sennacherib

But Tobodai. Bush is president of teh US! We're all gonna DIE!!!11!!1!

 

no, only me and other constitutionalists, and maybe a few stupid hippies, but I sure as hell wont mourn their passing.....



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"the people are nothing but a great beast...
I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value."
-Alexander Hamilton


Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 22:48

Originally posted by sennacherib

But Tobodai. Bush is president of teh US! We're all gonna DIE!!!11!!1!

He is Satan himself, with a southern accent!



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An nescite quantilla sapientia mundus regatur?


Posted By: Vamun Tianshu
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2005 at 22:52
Bush might be president of the US,but what about other countries with foolish political leaders?Why only talk about Bush?He isn't the only one out there!

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In Honor


Posted By: sennacherib
Date Posted: 16-Feb-2005 at 01:05
Because Bush's family is tied into the Illuminati and the Trilateralists. Why do you think Bush keeps giving that "thumb's up" sign? It's a signal to his demonic cadre, particularly the Bilderbergs, that the end is coming. Look closely at Bush's thumbprint and you will see wavy rings... the rings represent the concentric yokes of power Bush wishes to place on the world... military, economic, and spiritual. THREE RINGS. There are more rings that are secret on his thumb, but those three are definitely there. Kim of North Korea is only Bush's stooge. he is there to keep things stoked up until Bush is ready for The Final Solution (which is Texas Uber Alles). You thought only steers and queers came from Texas? Hardly. Death is riding with them, on a Pink Angus of Destruction.


Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2005 at 23:27
with the inclusion of the words "Two","Towers"


Bah, that already happened in the days of Middle Earth.


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Arrrgh!!"


Posted By: Vamun Tianshu
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 04:38
heh,basically,you are right.

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In Honor


Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2005 at 09:33
Originally posted by Tobodai

HA HA HA HA HA HA


They actually had the gall to invite a bunch of religious kooks on news programs to talk about this like it was a legitimate discusiion. PLease, alot worse has happened to the Earth before, the San Francisco quake, the extinction of the dinsosaurs, both world wars, the black plague, the influenza epidemic, numerous devastating volcano eruptions, astroid imapcts small and large, ....


The earth is a devastating and violent place, and just because one year happens to be slighly more deadly than another surely doesnt mean anyhthing per se has changed.


There are 3 ways humanity can end...naturally we evolve into something else or become obsolete in the natural world (least likely)


We nuke each other out of existence.


Or, we get hit by a large enough astroiud to cause mass extinction, this is the most likely way we will die.



Let me further elaborate on your post:

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Every generation of religious fanatics want history to end with themselves. They all want their time to be the end of times. Somehow, "Jesus" refuses to come. The black plague was worse, the influenza pandemic was worse, the fall of Rome, a truely remarkable empires was worse.

Also, noticed how many Christian fundamentalists keep thinking that things that happen to the U.S. will mark the end of times? There wasn't even the U.S. when Jesus was roaming the world!


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Posted By: Atourian
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2005 at 17:47
No but I believe a new bible is being created based on the historical events happening since the last one was complete. Thousands of years keep in mind is how long I am talking about.
If I knew Apocolypse really is approaching, I would not dwell on it. I believe in Heaven!


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Our earth is degenerate in these latter days; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; the end of the world is evidently approaching.
- Assyrian clay tablet 2800 B.C


Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 03-Apr-2017 at 10:12
I'm wondering about these possible matches for the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse/Revelation(s) chapter 6?

1st white horseman (bow/covenant & crown) "conquest"
= Napoleon 1 1792/1804-15?
Napoleon was "one of the greatest conquerors of world history".
Napoleon had a "(greyish) white" or "(light) gray" Arabian horse Marengo or Coco.
bow = concordat? (&/or law Code?)
&/or,
Christianity/Catholicism/Pope?
crown = crowned emperor? pope's tiara?

2nd red/fiery horseman "(declaration of) war (& bloodshed) / mass slaughter" (great sword)
= (American civil war &/or) the Great War / World War 1 1914-18
&/or Revolutions 1755/1776-1810/1848 &/or Communism?
great sword ~ sickle?

3rd black horseman "inflation/famine"
= (Industrial Revolution, &/or) "galloping inflation" 1920s (& the Great Depression/Slump 1929-39) (& capitalism) (&/or fascism?)
Black Tuesday 1929 (cp Black Friday 1873).
"1c Restaurant", "[$]1 will feed 20".)
"[no other depressions] have had such a widespread global impact"
 
4th chlorus/(ashy-)pale(-&-livid)/pallid/green(ish-yellow)/(yellowish-)green/ashen/creamy-white/black-&-blue horseman "thanatos/death (& hades)"
= maybe World War 2 1939-45 (&/or Cold War)?
(Hitler survived yellow-cross mustard [or chlorine?] gas attack?
Aryan/white/pale?
&/or Churchill's complexion was "pasty" & his hands "white"?)

(Not certain of the 4th/last one but is seeming best match so far.)

As too other historical events mentioned in previous posts in this thread i will just say that they must fall in their right place in the biblical overall world history timeline from Genesis to Revelation/Apocalypse.

(Found two other apocalypse topics/threads in the forum too:
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29636
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14299&KW=apocalypse )


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NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.


Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 03-Apr-2017 at 11:59
I wonder what the folks who started this thread would say about the present world sit.

These days the nitely news sometimes looks like old "Laugh In" reruns.

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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 03-Apr-2017 at 13:43
A.R. starts apocalypse!Wink


Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 04-Apr-2017 at 01:34
Thanks.
Maybe there hasn't been much enough change since 2005 to 2017 for them to have much different thoughts?
I may have got them slightly wrong ("thanks" to fluoridated water hindering my ability and health for years & still). May possibly be 1 christianity/catholicism, 2 socialism, 3 capitalism & 4 facism? Have edited the previous post abit.
(4 Horsemen might also link with red, white & black of Nazi flag, and/or with the 4 Freedoms?)

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7 churches:

1st Ephesus (means "desirable"/"overseer/rule")
(details of Ephesus & church from history and Revelation 2 : visited/founded by Paul, letter to Ephesians, "apostles", capital of Ionia, on Aegean sea, zealous, one of chief centres of Eastern church / important centre of christianity /Christian centre of Asia, important commercial city, capital of province of Asia, importance as a religious centre, temple Artemis/Diana [virgin goddess], substantial Jewish population, home of Timothy, John, noted for commerce, learning, architecture, Nicolatines)
=
Apostolic/Early Church centred at Jerusalem.

...

7th church Laodiceans (meaning "just(ice of the) people"/"people ruler")
(details of Laodicea & church from history and Revelation 3 : founded by queen Laodice wife of Antiochus II, ancient Diospolis, city of Phrygia, important city, on river Lycus, seat of an early christian church, lukewarm, centre of Asclepius god of medicine worship, commercial & manufatcuring town, large Jewish population, centre in Roman road-system, the only 1 of the 7 churches with plural people-name not singular place-name, Amen, witness, creation, gold, eyesalve, Jesus on outside, sup, throne, isolated in community, near Colossae, name of several anc Greek cities, namesake of chief port of Syria)
=
London? Modern western world church.

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More to come on the Beast, and the harlot "Babylon" if/when able.


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NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.


Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 04-Apr-2017 at 04:50

Sorry nevermind, forget it. The 4 horsemen is all wrong. I have made a stupid dumb idiot fool of myself again (though i declare that i can prove that my dumbness is at least half because of the fluoridated water forced on me for decades and still every meal every day, etc long harming/hindering my ability and hindering my [good, paper, reference] studies). The events of Revelation/Apocalypse chapters 6-11 could be anytime between the time of John and the present/future, and there are a number of scenarios which i can't yet determine which is right (eg the horsemen could be at the early end of a.d. history just after John's & 7 historical churches time, or the 4 horsemen could match Spenglars 4 seasons and be between John's time and the present/future, or they could be at the later end after 7 churches ages like the scenario we posted above?)
Maybe there is no God, since the evil Romans/globalists/Aryans/masons keep getting away with poisoning/hindering me & my ability & studies.

4 horsemen: white red black pale
4 living creatures: lion, ox/bull, man/angel, eagle/aquilo/scorpio/serpens
4 beasts (Daniel): lion bear leopard beast/dragon/composite
4 archangels: Michael Raphael Gabriel Uriel
4 ages: gold/head silver/chest/arms brazen/thighs iron/legs
4 seasons (Spenglar): spring summer autumn winter
4 rivers: pishon/havilah gihon/cush hiddekel/tigris/asshur euphrates



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NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.


Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 09-Apr-2017 at 09:51
The (1st/Sea) Beast of Rev 13 ~ the EU?
7/8 heads ~ G7/G8?

(The Harlot "Babylon" riding the beast (Rev 19) ~ Vatican (& Mecca)?)

The 2nd/Earth Beast / Lamb-Dragon of Rev 13 ~ the US(A)?

The Image of the Beast ~ the UN(O)?

Could 666 or 616 the mark/name/number of the Beast / a man be connected with Uncle Sam, or America/Amerigo?
In Hebrew numerals:
(Uncle) Sam = 60-1-600 (= 661) [= 616?]
US(A) = 6-60(-1) (= 66(+1)).
(Samuel) Adams / Adam S(mith) = 1-4-1-600-60 = 666.

(Disclaimer: Whatever things i might be wrong/dumb about doesn't mean that i am all/always wrong about everything (&/or that others are all/always right), there are somethings that i am certainly right and not wrong about (&/or are things others/orthodox are certainly wrong and not right about). Plus, the things i am wrong/dumb about are at least half because of the bad/harmful/poison fluoridated (and other ingredients) tap (&/or bottled) water forced on me.)


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NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.


Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 10-Apr-2017 at 06:28
Looks like i made another stupid dumb mistake. Seems the 666 must be Roman, or else Masonic. Also i remembered something i forgot about the word therion "(small wild) beast", and that it says "man" not "a man" or "certain man".
The Sea Beast is either the EU (or G7), or Roman Empire, or Atlantis.
The image must be either UNO or USA or EU (or Statue of Liberty, or Babel). The 2nd Earth Beast might be either Masonry or USA. (I wondered if lamb-dragon could link with Baphomet?) USA is either the Earth Beast or the Image?
The 2 horns of the 2nd/Earth/Lamb-Dragon Beast i'm not sure but candidates include: 2 horns of Baphomet? Republican & Democrats? President & Vice President? EU & Eur Commission? Twin Towers? Washington & NYC?

These are the 666 (or 616)* candidates i've collected or come up with:
(* Note that 666 is alternatively 616 in some early manuscripts.)

Sum of numbers 0/1 to 36 (on a roulette wheel) = 666.

Synod of Whitby 665 ad.

66 books of English Bible.

legion 6000/6200/6666 men (Geoff of Monmouth)?
[6000/[6666?] dead Geoff of Monmouth.]
60000/3 x 6666 men [Arthurian?]

1666 ad/ce.

Sorath = s 60 o 6 r 200 th 400 = 666.

Fluorine atomic mass 18(.9984) = 3x6 = 666. Fluorine = atomic no 9 = 18 = 666. Fluorine = F = 6(th letter).

Ludovicus (Louis / "chief vicar of the court of Rome") = l 50 u 5 d 500 o 0 v 5 i 1 c 100 u 5 s 0 = 666.

Sum of all 6 Roman numerals D C L X V I = 666.
(Millenium = M = C + I + inverse-C = 616?)

Dux Cleri = d 500 u 5 x 10 c 0 l 50 e 0 r 0 i 1 = 666.

Paulo V Vice Deo = p 0 a 0 u 5 l 50 o 0 v 5 v 5 i 1 c 100 e 0 d 500 e 0 o 0 = 666.

"emperor Caligula" / Gaios Kaisar / Caius Caligula Caesar =  g 3 a 1 i 10 o 70 s 200 k 20 a 1 i 10 s 200 a 1 r 100, or, g 3 simkath 60 q 100 l 30 g 3 simkath 60 q 100 simkath 60 r 200 = 616.

"St Peter" "died 67 ad", "aged 66 y.o." [= Nero died 68 ad. (or great fire 64 ad?)]
Nero(n) (Caesar) = n 50 r 200 w 6 n 50 q 100 s 60 r 200 = 666/616. (666 = 3 6s, and, "*3* false claimants did present themselves as Nero resurrected".)

Domitianus Caesar Legatos Xti Violenter Interfecit "DC basely killed the envoys of Christ" [Clement 1 = Domitian ("reincarnated Nero"), cf Clementine 2].

Mussolini = 666.

Romiith = 666

Latinus/Lateinos = l 30 a 1 t 300 e 5 i 10 n 50 o 70 s 200 = 666.

Stur/Saturn/Sator / Rotas = s 200 t 60 u 400 r 6 = 666

266th Pope Francis (& 266th day 2015).
Catholic Encycopedia & Fathers "all for only $19.99".

Vicarius Fili Dei = v 5 i 1 c 100 a 0 r 0 i 1 u 5 s 0 f 0 i 1 l 50 i 1 d 500 e 0 i 1 = 666.

Trijon/trjvn "little beast" = t 400 r 200 y 10 v 6 n 50 = 666. (Trojan? Trajan = Trojanu.)

Jesus/Iesus/Iesous = i 10 e 0 s 300 o 0 u 6 s 300 = 616. [Catholic "Jesus" is either Zeus or Julius Caesar or Augustus Caesar or Claudius (since the 1st 40+ "popes" really match the Roman emperors list, with "Peter" matching Nero).]

Italika Ekklesia = i 10 t 300 a 1 l 30 i 10 k 20 a 1 e 5 k 20 k 20 l 30 e 8 s 200 i10 a 1 = 666.

He Latine Basileia = h 0 e 8 l 30 a 1 t 300 i 10 n 50 e 8 b 2 a 1 s 200 i 10 l 30 e 5 i 10 a 1 = 666.

Kaisar Theos "Lord God" = 616.

'Sex' (= hex) is similar to Greek letters which have numerical value 666.

Arnoume "i renounce" = a 1 r 100 n 50 o 70  m 40 e 5 = 666.

Therion "(small wild) beast" = Tav (400) + Resh (200) (+ He (5)) + Yod (10) (+ O (6))+ Nun (50) = 665/666.

T(e)itan = t 300 e 5 i 10 t 300 a 1 n 50 = 666 = 18 = 9.

Euporia "wealth" = 666.

Paradosis "tradition" = 666.

Maometis/Mohammed/Baphomet = m 40 a 1 o 70 m 40 e 5 t 300 i 10 s 200 = 666.

66th volume of Oxyrhynchus series.

Allah letters like 666.
6666 verses koran?
661 ad.
666 Greek letters similar to Arabic word Bismallah.

Nebuchadnezzer/Nebekednesser = Nu (50) + Eta (8) + Beta (2) + Kappa (20) + Eta (8) + Delta (4) + Nu (50) + Eta (8) + Sigma (200) + Sigma (200) + Eta (8) + Rho (l00) = 666/663/669, & = 6th century bc.
Rome = Babel/Babylon/BBL/BethBethLamed = Sheshak/ShShQ = shesh(meot)/shisha "six/sixty/six-hundred".
Sumerians/Babylonians had sexagesimal (base 6 / 60) numerical system. (Sosoi "60".)

6666 dead Mahabharata

1656 yrs + 1 yr x 10 = 1666 yrs pre-flood (Masoretic).
2656/2666 yrs preflood in Sept/Lxx / Josephus.
Exodus was 2666 yrs a.m. in Jewish.
[600(000) men &/or families in Exodus.]
Giants had 6 digits.

Juda(h)/Iovd(a)/Judas/Iovdain = 66(6)/661
666 talents Solomon.
Adonikam 666 descs.
613/693 Mosaic laws.
6 letters Yhwh's "God's" name
[Jesus/Yeshua has value 888.]
6th seal, 6th trump, 6th vial.

Kissinger = k 11x6 i 9x6 s 19x6 i 9x6 n 14x6 g 7x6 e 5x6 r 18x6
 = 666.

WWW = 666.

"1616" on (salty) cheese
"9.99 percent" (Fonterra, etc). $99/99c.
Smartmeters planned in NZ in 1999.
1999 Holiness Data Ministries booklet on prayer.

(uncle) sam = 60-1-600 (= 661) [= 616?]
us(a) = 6-60(-1) (= 66(+1)).
(samuel) adams / adam s(mith) = 1-4-1-600-60 = 666.
KKK = 11-11-11 (= 33) = 6.
US pastor with 666 tatoo.
USA, UK, USSR = vaw vaw vaw (= 666)?
2015 bill 666 (renamed bill 702).

"Kushner acquired 666 5th Avenue in New York" / "Lucent-Alcatel ... [has] their home at 666 5th Avenue".

"barcode 3 long/thick bars = 666"?

computer = c 3x6 o 15x6 m 13x6 p 16x6 u 21x6 t 20x6 e 5x6 r 18x6 = 666

witchcraft (pharmacia) w 23x6 i 9x6 t 20x6 c 3x6 h 8x6 c 3x6 r 18x6 a 1x6 f 6x6 t 18x6 = 666.

federal reserve = f 6x6 e 5x6 d 4x6 e 5x6 r 18x6 a 1x6 l 12x6 space -192 (computer math) r 18x6 e 5x6 s 19x6 e 5x6 r 18x6 v 22x6 e 5x6 = 858-192 = 666.

A site claims that these combinations have value 666 in biblical 'Chaldean/Babylonian' numerals : "nuclear hell", "new york", "us of america", "mark of beast", "son of sin", "S(ocial) S(ecurity) Number", "Santa Claus".

master card = 612 = 600 + 12 (6+6) = 666.
visa = vi 6 (Roman) s 6 (Greek) a 6 (Babylonian) = 666.

1998 ad/ce divided by 3 = 666. 
2000 ad/ce divided by 3 = 666.666....
6/6/(20)06.

orcon isp dialup ph number had 666 in it.
[catt/cmht ph number had 666 in it?]

666 lucky number in China, "Can mean 'everything goes smoothly'".

FFF (Freedom Fighters Front) = 666.

Aleister Crowley "the Beast 666".



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NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.


Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 09-May-2017 at 11:36
the 1st white horseman (peace/conquer) of Apocalypse/Revelation 6 could possibly be

Pax Romana  31/27 bc / ad 70 - 180/192/250 ad (& truce of God)?
(& Cretan-origin emperors?) (& Parthian 62 ad?)
& Trajan "Alexander"? & Telesphorus "completion" 125-136?

Rather than Constantine the Great ("conquer")?

&/or rather than Napoleon? (& Christianity/Catholicism/Pope?)


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NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.


Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2017 at 14:19
Just a very tentative table on possible connection of the Sea Beast of Revelation/Apocalypse with Atlantis and with modern EU / G7 / UN?
May be wrong. Is also only a very tentative and not fully studied by me yet and may well be wrong. Table is only first draft and will have to be updated - edited - improved if possible (though no guarantee i will be posting anymuch anymore if i am not stoped by bad water stopping me from doing other life stuff here). The key seems to be the 3 or 4 parts of beast (4 metals, or 3 or 4 beasts, or 4 historical empires), but difficult so far to nail the correct identification or meanings/natures.
Please note that the main rows of most interest are the ones on "666" and name of beast/"Man".


The (Sea) Beast / Bible / Daniel / Revelation/Apocalypse

historical Atlantis [Tiahuanaco/Tiwanaku] / Atlantis Account / Plato

Modern / present / future Western World / NWO / Globalism

metals. [japheth (intellect) [djehewty/thoth], tubal & meshech. laodicea.] 666.

metals, mining, orichalc, ["iron"]

industrial. technology. "all culture is Aryan". [999.] Meteoric?

[Mediterranean] / (Great) Sea

Atlantic [& Mediterranean]. [Sea Peopes?] Poseidon.

Atlantic [& Mediterranean]

gold (head) [pure] (Babylon) [confusion/mixture, Jews, Semitic, capitivty]

had gold

Babylon = Rome. "Zionism" ("Jews")? Antisemitism. gold standard? blond/red hair? Mixing/multi-cultural. Olympics?

lion (mouth) [king, solar]. [Jesus/Aslan/Shem.]

[British Isles & Americas were visited by Atlanteans] [red (or white)?]

Churchill. UK, USA, Canada, RSA, Australia, NZ (English language, water fluoridation). NATO. Yalta. WASP. Pope ["Babylon"]. Aslan. "Zionism" (Jews, media)? Lions. "Lion King"..

silver (Medes/Persian/Iran) [law, postage, multi-racial, versus Greece, Jews vs Haman]

had silver

legislative? judicial? Aryan? Islam? Russia/Slav? Olympics?

bear (paws, 3 ribs). [Rosh/Gog/Magog.]

[Hyperborea?] white (or black)? ["world navel"?] ["Atlantis of the North"?]

Stalin? Russia? Arthurian? [beer shirts?] Japhethite? sugar? trade?

bronze/brass/brazen [judgement]

had bronze/tin/copper/zinc/brass, oreichalc

[judicial/judiciary?] Olympics?

leopard (body) ("swift", 4 wings/heads/divisons, Greek, semi-barbarian). [Nimrod/Ham.]

puma-punku. [great city of asshur (nimrod "spotted one").] "invaders", aggressors. black (or red)?

4 occupation zones post-wari Germany? US (Army) (German almost voted language)? Mainland Europe / EU? Napoleon? "Hellenic & Germanic" (Hitler)? Olympics. Classical. "Hitler had North African genes". Gayropa?

Mediterranean, Greek, Roman

Western Mediterranean, Tyrrhenia, (Greece.)

Papacy, Western, New World, American

3 beasts/sixes. [~ 3 sons Noah?]

3 (red, white, black).

3 races. tricolour (Fr, US, Ger). 3 zones. 3 (King, Pope, Mussolini). Yalta?

metal(s), iron (strong/strength) [rust] (Roman. [Christianity. Mithraism] W & E.)

"iron age"? "bronze age"? oreichalc ~ brass?

digital. technology. industrial. iron/steel. "all human culture almost exclusively Aryan" (Hitler)? steel. industrial. Rome. "Christianity". W & E. Iron Man.

iron & clay mixed. (Harlot/whore rides beast.) (Composite beast in Revelation.)

became mixed/diluted.

(Orichalc. pseudargurios.)

global. multi-cultural. egalitarian. UNESCO blob man. race relations. human rights. hate crimes. democracy. Dualistic/schizoid.

dragon (Satan?) (Roman?)


[China? Rome? KKK? Dracula? Polar star? Pergamos is Satan's throne? Satan's seat in in sides of north? Allah?]

7 heads/hills/kings

[7 continents?]

G7/G8. [7 continents.] 7 hills Rome. Hollywood.

8th

"8th continent"

New [8th]? G8? "8 x 666 = 5328"? "8 Benzie Ave"? Unit 88?

"was, is not, is coming". wounded & healed. will be destroyed by Jesus. ["as in days before flood"?]

"sank/sunk", "Atlantis Rising"

"Atlantis Rising", New World/Age, [rebirth / twice-born]

wounded/healed head

Atlantis "sunk" & "rising"?

ww2? "Atlantis Rising"?

10 horns/kings/toes

10 kings [or 12 kings]. bulls.

10 nations formed council of Europe. EEC had 10. G7/G8 has 10 leaders.

3 uprooted horns

?

BeNeLux? Golden Triangle? Yalta Conference? EEC formed primarily by Fr, It, Ger [reversal of break up of Charlemagne Empire?

(lion) mouth, sea, cup, [wormwood]

water, Atlantic, kings drink from cups

fluoridated water? "pope says ww3 for water"? holy grail?

English? Churchill? Media?

beast wars & beats saints ; blood of saints (harlot)

"bulls" sacrifice?

[Clementine 2? "hate crimes". Christians who refuse to serve NWO will be killed? terrorism. fluoridated water. holocaust. ww 1. ww 2. Branch Davidians.]

[increase in quakes worldwide.]

destroyed in quake(s). Poseidon god of quakes.

quakes increased worldwide. continental drift theory.

"as in days before flood" ; "desire to die butdeath flee"

king was oldest; [several Peru kings lived to 100 yrs old.] [hyperboreans lived to 1000 [100] yrs.]

claims of "people are living longer". peoples hopes of Q Eliz becoming longest reign/rule. human genome mapped. [Eden might be found in Antarctica.] [popes, elite etc secret projects?] [1000 yr reich.]

Daniel's beasts & metals was prophecy which has been (was then afterwards) fulfilled in history. Revelation/Apocalypse was/is futuristic prophecy partly un/fulfilled (with historical components).

Atlantis was true history. Atlantis has been corresponded with beast of Daniel, &/or with Apocalypse (Atlantis Online forum topic/thread). "Atlantis Rising". [Posnansky. Rosenberg. Thule Soc. Spanuth. Serrano.]

"Atlantis Rising". Atlantis corresponded with Apocalypse. The modern/future UNO / NWO / Global 2000 / Globalism. [Posnansky. Rosenberg. Thule Soc. Serrano. Spanuth.]

there are "slaves"

tried to enslave all Europe & Asia & Libya/Africa. (Freed by Athens.) "Bulls" sacrifice [human sacrifice in Andean cultures].

work to live; workaholic; busy; slave for dole schemes; fema camps; global elite; haves & have nots; masses; democracy; growing gap between rich & poor; fluoridated; "consumer/customer/client"; "number not name"; "goyim";

Babylon [Rome] (harlot, gold head, lion mouth)

Atlantis [Tiahuanaco] (concentric circles). [great city of Asshur] ["world navel"?] [Juli] [7 dots in Coricancha picture?]

"Cosmopolis". Vatican. Washington. NY. London. Zion? Hollywood?

beast versus harlot/whore

[Atlantis vs Egypt/Athens?]

"followers of jesus vs nephilim (ruling families of world & leadership of Americas)"? "Benjamin vs Joseph"? national vs global. christian vs NWO.

harlot/whore riding beast

Clito

Papacy/Vatican/Rome? (and Mecca?) or Masonry? or "Jews"?

[riden by harlot Babylon/Rome who oversees world trade]

[impression of trade]

free trade. corporatism. commercialism. consumerism. economy. "Pythagorean coins" ["overseer of market-place (agora)"].

image/icon of beast

[microscosm.] [statue? pillar? temple?]

UNO? G7/G8? EU? USA? Statue of Liberty?

number of name of beast [therion/trijon] / of Man [Anthropos/Andrew? Adam (1st king of 10, 900 yrs)? Alexander?] &/or, 2nd beast from earth (like Adam)?

Atlantis/Atlas (1st king of 10, 900(0) yrs) [Alalus (1st king, 9 yrs)?] [Aryan Atlantis theory of Posnansky, Thule Soc, Rosenberg]

NATO. "Atlantis Rising". "I am Aryan [Arjen] & I'm calling from Pulse Energy". [Aryan Atlantis theory of Posnansky, Thule Soc, Rosenberg.] Aslan. Allah. Adams? Adam Smith? Posei-Don? Astr ('Conqueror Manifesto')? Superman?

Impersonality. Inhuman/inhumane. Brotherhood of man. Humanism. Humanitarian. Philanthropist. Anthropologist. Unesco blob man.

"Just a number".

666/616 [= Adams , [a]TRS / Stur , thr-s-v / thr-y-v / thr-ah-v , www , fff , 999 , trijon , therion.]

[Atlas ~ Atum ~ Adam ~ Utu ~ Savitri ~ Satur?]

Atlas (~ Adam/Atum)? [Mu?] [Atlantis corresponded with Troy/Troja? Atlantis might be linked with Tiras of Genesis 10?]

[Saturn(ia(n))/Chronian?]

99.9? 9.99? www? FF. "6 million Jews"? ["... dollar question"?] "6 = person, 66 = tribe, 666 = world"? 3 long bars in barcode?

2 beasts (sea beast & earth beast)

5 x 2 (twins) kings

US & EU? US & UN? EU 2 heads? Head of state & govt?

lamb-dragon earth-beast (like Adam?)


USA? UNO? Masonry (Baphomet)? Islam? geopolitics? heartland?

[delusion believe the lie. number of man. whole world. form of godliness. believe they doing will of God when killing witnesses/saints.]

Atlantis is like ideal Republic

claims to be for good, peace, brotherhood, democracy, fairness, freedom, wealth, law, justice, etc versus evil/bad, fear, hate, war, dictatorship, racism, poverty, tooth decay, crime, etc

is evil/bad/fallen/sinful/proud

became mixed and fallen and decadent and andarrogant

[is mixed, and is decadent and tyrannical]


hot springs/baths, pipes/cisterns

baths/showers, plumbing

[Gog &/or Magog]

[Andes (Flem-Ath)??] [Posei-don??]

God? ZOG/JOG? Goyim? Russia (Bog)? [Gothic?] General Zod? dog? Gayropa? wogs? geeks? Indo? [Cro-Magnon?]

[(ships of) Kittim (or Kasdim) (bitter & hasty nation)]

1200 ships. [Cretan.]

British? American? Hitler?

refs: bible, left behind, barry smith, sps, josephus, wiki, atlantis online thread/topic, cambrai, ONA, Hislop (2 Babylons); etc.

Atlantis refs: plato, atlantis online, atlantis rising, atlantipedia, ignatius donnelley, graham aspin theelf, philo, spanuth, flem-ath, zangger, berlitz, hancock, etc.

[Tiahuanaco refs: posnansky, [miguel serrano,] allen, bambrough, wiki, Inca picture from Coricancha, Fasold, etc.]

[Asshur refs: bible.]

refs: sps, left behind, yearbook, wikipedia, [bible.] ONA, KR Bolton, Etc.




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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2017 at 19:33
Apocalypse is the revelation of hidden knowledge, and the four horsemen of the apocalypse are symbols that reveal. When looking at what these symbols show my belief is that they are a warning of what not to do, or allow because if you do the end result is the fourth horseman/symbol. In ancient times the term horse can also symbolize a wave, so it is just possible that four horsemen are symbolic of four waves. Three waves as in maybe political movements or campaigns, or at least great followings, with the fourth wave being the consequence of the previous three. 

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What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.


Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2017 at 04:37
Thanks thats good Alani, it swirls with what we wrote on the 4 horsemen in the first 1-2 page(s) and with what wiki article on them says, and there is some interesting what you say about waves/movts/campaigns, and/or about what not to do, and/or there are interesting thoughts it sparked (do the 4 stand at start as opening act? or might they represent symbols for the whole rest of the book/bible?) Though I think/feel that there is a higher/deeper "spiritual" issue rather than just mundane/material.

Abaddon or Apollyon ("or "Exterminus") of Revelation/Apocalypse 9:1-11 is possibly Adolf (and/or Napoleon).

("666/616 = TRS[a](v) / S[a]T(u)R / R(o)T[a]S" = 'Artus de Bretania' (Modena Archivolt) = "(King) Arthur"?)
(The dragon (of Daniel) in Gildas is alot like the USA.)



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Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 11-Jul-2017 at 15:32
Looks like i got Abaddon/Apollyon/Exterminus abit wrong maybe and it is not just Adolf/Napoleon but is Potei-Don / Apollo (Atlantis/Hyperborea). That is Abba "father" Don and Potei "lord" Don? (Hitler 2 x 5 yrs.)

Instead of editing the table i'll switch to editing this list started below:

Gold (head, pure, Babylon) = blond Aryan? gold standard? king's? Uru?

Lion (teeth/mouth, king, Leo, Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, Constantine, Aurelius Conan, Daniel, Samson, Aslan) ~ blond Aryan? UK? Aslan. Jesus. Shem? Richard1?

3 beasts = 3 races Nord Alp Mediterranean? 3 sons Noah? red wh black?

Beast (Therion, Trijon) = Goyim. "blond beast" of Huxley? Christos Beest of ONA? Crowley? evolution? beastiality? best? 'The Beast' computer?

10 horns/kings of Beast. 10 patriarchs before & after Flood. Gen 10.
Egyptian world had 9/10 arcs/bows.
Atlantis 10 kings.
"Japheth 10 sons/nations (Gen 10)".
Rome had 10 curiae. Decemvirs/decimvirs. 9 emperors visit Britain?
G7/G8 has 10 heads/leaders. EEC had 10. "10 nations founded Council of Europe in 1940s". Decimal metric system. 99.9?

7/8 heads of Beast. (7 Cainite generations? 7 x 10 = 70/72 nations Gen 10?)
7 continents world?
7 hills Rome? [7 hills/suburbs Hollywood?]
G7/G8? 7 champions Europe? 7 sons Japheth? Atlantis "8th continent"?

666/616 number/mark of beast/man (Anthropos) = S +Adam / Adam + s
&/or, 666/616 
= TRS[a](v) = Tiras (Gen 10)? Tros/Troy/Troja? Atlas/pillars? Italus? (Rosh/Gog? Pathros? Tarshish/rss?)
/ R(o)T[a]S = Artus de Bretania? Round Table? Rotary Club?
/ S[a]T(u)R = Saturn(ia)?
Anthropos = Adam (1st of 10, 900 yrs) = Atlas (athlos, 1st of 10, 900(0) yrs)?
666 = 99.9 / 9.99 = human best without God falls short of 100/777/888, or attempts/presumes to go beyond 555/888?
Superman symbol?

"was & is not & is coming". (Pre-flood world?)
Atlantis "sank" & "Atlantis rising".
"Alani Dragon Rising". (Alanus in Nennius & Travels of Noah.)
King Arthur "once & future king".

whore/harlot Babylon/Babel/Rome (mingle/mixture/confusion, gateway, tower, Peter) = Mary/Papacy/Vatican/Rome? Isis? Mecca? Cosmopolis? Hollywood? Clito (Atlantis)? Juli? Puebla? 'Babylon 5'? Pergamos?

two beasts, two horns ~ US & EU/CIS?  2 x 5 twins Atlantis? 2 consuls Rome? 2 heads of EU? Twin Towers? Pres & Vice Pres? Bicameral? divine duo? twice born?

the Lie they deluded to believe = man become gods? evolution? Aliens? master race? pope? fluoridation? Popists brand exposers of their lies as "delusion" (but is really deception)?

3 woes ~ 3 world wars? www? 666? groans?

Abaddon/Apollyon (Job, Rev/Apoc) ~ Adolf "noble wolf"? Napoleon? Aryan? Adonai? Abzu? Potei-don? Atlan? Apollo of Hyperborea? Woden? John Paul? terrorism? father Adam?

Scorpions/locusts ~ girtab-lullu scorpion-men? (Germanic) barbarians? Mongols? WASPs? smart? Pazuzu? Scorpio/Aquila/Serpens? The Scorpion magazine? thirst?



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Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2017 at 01:18
The statue of Daniel has gold head, silver breast & arms, brass/brazen legs, iron legs/feet, iron & clay feet/toes; the Beast of Revelation/Apocalypse has lion's head, bear's paws, leopard body, dragon power (from 4 beasts in Daniel).
(Traditional historical matches of lion/gold = Assyrio-Babylonian/Chaldean, bear/silver = Medo-Persian, Leopard = Greco-Macedonian, dragon/beast/iron/clay = Roman/Germanic. The 3 beasts lion, bear, leopard may possibly parallel Shem, Japheth, Ham?)

The modern day NWO / Beast has these traits.

gold/lion (solar, mane, mouth/teeth) ~ blond/Aryan (eg Trump in US, English in NZ, "I am Aryan and I'm calling from Pulse Energy" said to me on phone in 2016)? *
gold ~ pure?
lion/gold ~ lion king / royal? (Elite have the best, rest have tainted.)
lion ~ lion's share?
lion ~ 'Lions' & 'Rotary' clubs?

gold/lion ~ (harlot/whore) babylon(ian)/babel ~ rome/romans (Vatican/Papacy)?
lion/gold ~ Babylon/Babel ~ "mixture/confusion"/"harlot/whore"?

gold/lion ~ Babylonian/Chaldean (Semites) ~ Jews (Daniel)? (Jews in the West & Russia.)
lion (mouth) ~ Shem / Sphinx/Joseph / Jesus/Aslan ~ Semites/Jews (media) &/or "Christians"?
(lion/gold ~ Babylonian ~ Chaldean/Kasdim ~ Khazars?)

lion (mouth/teeth) ~ UK (&/or USA)? English or Indo-European language? fluoridated water (UK/US)?

lion/gold ~ Babylon/Babel ~ gateway of god/El?

bear (paws) [heart] ~ bear hug? honey (= sugar)? bear shirts? Arthur? Russia? Arctic/polar/north?

leopard (spotted, swift, 4 heads) [slender/athletic] ~ Hamite/African? Nimrod? Greek/Macedonian? Puma-punku?
NW Europeans are slender/athletic, swift military.
(Nazi Germany 4 occupation zones.)

* The beast may be linked with Atlantis and Aryans (Nordic "Aryans" may be from Atlantis/Tiahuanaco, though Indo-European "Aryans" may be from Indus &/or Danube/Aegean?)
Abaddon / Apollyon / Exterminus may possibly be linked with Posei-don (Atlantis) / Hyperborea (Apollo) &/or Nietzsche (Apollonian) / Adolf (Hitler) / Napoleon &/or pope John Paul 2.

Abaddon/Apollyon might also/alternatively link with Badon/Avalon too/instead?
(Arthur / Round Table = Artus / Rotas = 666.)


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Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2017 at 04:19
"The love of many will grow cold" - Bible.
"The baths of Badon will grow cold" - HRB.
 
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"Fluoride contributes a distinctive bitter taste." (Biblical word "Wormwood" means "bitter"?)

fluoride from fluo "flow". *
flu = influenza = influence (of stars)* = flux/flow.
(* Compare fluoridation with star wormwood fell into earth waters of bible.)

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"Mystery Babylon" ~ "Publius Enigma"?



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Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 15-Dec-2017 at 19:04
Posted this in historum but they unfairly banned me.

Revelation 9:

1st Woe = 1st World War?

Abaddon / Apollyon / Exterminus "destroyer" & scorpion/locusts
= Adolf (Hitler) & Aryans/barbarians? combined with Napoleon?
& Apollonian (Nietzsche)? & Hyperboreans (Apollo)? &/or Posei-don? or Woden? & Badon (Britons vs Germans)?
2nd World War was "the most destructive in history".

5 months (or moons / periods / cycles / revolutions?) Abaddon/Apollyon
= 1933/1934-1939, &/or sept 1939 - may/aug 1945 (5 yrs & 8 months)?
"Year" in Egyptian = month.

2nd Woe = 2nd World War?
Euphrates = Atlantic?
4 angels loosed from Euphrates = US, UK, France, USSR?

(WWW = woe woe woe?)


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Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 22-Mar-2018 at 12:38
Just an updating of the 7 churches of Revelation/Apocalypse chapters 2-3 and their seeming matches with church ages between 30 ad and 2000 ad. (Note I may not post the 7 churches all in order.)

Ephesus the 1st of the 7 churches certainly seems to match (the early church with centre at) Jerusalem, as seen by that the details of Ephesus are very analogously similar to ones of Jerusalem.

Ephesus meaning of name: "desirable" / "overseer/rule".

Ephesus secular historical/geographical details: original inhabitants Carians & Leleges followed by Ionians, Croesus, gateway to the east, one of oldest  cities of Asia Minor, centre of Roman province of Asia, "in the Roman province of Asia no city was more important than Ephesus", seat of proconsul, shrine/temple of many-breasted divine mother Diana/Artemis who was worshiped all over Asia, Diana/Artemis virgin goddess, temple one of the wonders of the world, visited/founded by Paul, "John church leader in Ephesus", epistle Ephesians, capital of Ionia, on Aegean sea, zealous, one of chief centres of Eastern church / important centre of christianity / Christian centre of Asia, important commercial city, importance as a religious centre, substantial Jewish population, home of Timothy, noted for commerce, learning, architecture, riot at Ephesus in Acts, surrendered to Cyrus, destroyed by an inundation, "today Ephesus is a desolate ruin", temple destroyed by maniac,  ruined by quake 17 ad, Paul preached here, scene of eccles riots, church councils, regular excavations, Shakespeare in Ephesus, Ephesians decree in Josephus, south of Smyrna, sacked by Goths 262, "Paul sent 3 letters from Ephesus"?

Ephesus details in Revelation 2: apostles, midst of paradise, "Saturday" (ref B Thierring)?

Note the temple and architecture similar to Herod's temple.
The inundation similar to diaspora "flood"?
Midst of paradise similar to ideas that Jerusalem is site of garden of Eden.

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Laodice(ans) the 7th church certainly seems to match London (the "largest city of the world" in the 1800s-1900s) as seen by the similar details.

Laodicea name meaning: laos "(common) people/lay/laity", leithos" town hall", & leon "lion" closely related, + dike "justice/rule", dikaios "righteous", "civil servant, public serving".

Laodicea historical details: near Colossae, commercial & manufacturing centre, large Jewish population, centre in Roman road-system, Asclepius god of medicine worship, founded by queen Laodice wife of Antiochus/Seleucus II, 5g-daughter of Zeus, ancient Diospolis, city of Phrygia, important city, on river Lycus, seat of an early christian church, name of several ancient Greek cities, namesake of chief port of Syria, isolated in community, Rho(d)as, passed to kingdom of Pergamon, black wool, was restored from their own means, taste arts Greeks, contributed advancement science & literature great medical school, embellished beautiful monuments, chief city of a conventus of 24 cities assizes, martyrdom Lulianos & Paphos, metropolis, St Artemon, baths, theatre(s), aqueduct, water heavily charged with calcerous matter, stadium, celebrity of place attributed to fertility of soil, not seen Paul's face, Laodice daughter of Priam of Troy & Hecuba, Nympha in Laodicea, "15th letter of Paul", "Philemon probably at Laodicea"?

Laodicea details in Revelation 3: witness, creation, lukewarm, spew out, rich, [also poor people implied,] gold, white raiment, eyesalve,  rebuke/chasten, zealous, locked doors, repent, hear voice, supper, overcome, throne, only one of the 7 churches with a plural people place-name not a singular place-name (in some versions), southward (Thyatira to Laodicea).

The woman Laodice might correspond with either Boadicea, Claudia (daughter of Caractacus), Victoria or Britannia. It looks like Queen Victoria is good/best match (though she didn't found city, but maybe the empire, she said bible was base of Britain's greatness/empire when asked)?
River Lycus similar to Thames?
Calcerous water similar to either London hard water, or fluoridated water.
Daughter of Priam similar to Brutus a Trojan.
Plural name might be many denominations/sects/churches?
Creation might hint at Evolution and Creationism?
Witness might possibly also link with Jehovah's Witnesses?
7th church might possibly also link with 7th Day Adventists?

If you have some general knowledge of Jerusalem and London the you hopefully should be able to see the details of Ephesus and Laodicea are similar to Jerusalem and London without me having to explain them all.



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