Serb Republic/Republic of Srpska/Republika Srpska

Bosnia is for all Bosnians, meaning anybody who is from Bosnia and sees themselves as Bosnian no matter if muslim, catholic, orthodox, buddhist etc., but the problem with you people(not all) is that you do not accept Bosnia as your country.  So because you do not see yourself as Bosnian you loose the right to decide what happens to Bosnia and its territories.

Originally posted by Milos Obilic You guys hate us Serbs because we have always resisted the idea of foreign troops policing any peace in our country. As a heroic nation we are constantly surrounded by enemies. we have no real ally. �

I am surely not the first one to have noticed that some of the most patriotic and nationalist people do actually not reside in the country that they have chosen to defend so fervently.
It is thus no surprise that their judgements are somehow out of touch with the population that actually lives in their "home" country, and that their patriotic enthusiasm is the result of a distorted, nostalgic and thus outdated view.
I have heard the above arguments for the first time approximately in the early 90s, when coming up with "conspiracy theories" was the most popular past-time in Belgrade, but since most people in Serbia-Montenegro have moved on, having discarded their persecution complex, and want nothing more than to join the community of European states, which are their natural allies in the effort to rebuild their country and to reach the living standard of other comparable nations.
It might be the case that this is not of foremost interest to some Serbs who live abroad in relative stable and affluent societies, and who can from the safety and luxury of their air-conditioned homes abroad dream on the dream of a "Greater Serbia" and perpetuate the myth of a persecuted nation.
That they thus do no great favour to their "home" country, on the contrary, seems completely irrelevant to those heroic patriots.
My advice is, get real.


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As for allies, serbia had a pretty big one.

"Western diplomats have tried to remain sensitive to Russia's traditional alliance with the Serbs, but with the massive air strikes, Russia's sensitivities have been pushed aside. In response, Russia has issued a series of warnings against the West."

http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/sep95/9-13/super powers/

 

Originally posted by malizai_ As for allies, serbia had a pretty big one. "Western diplomats have tried to remain sensitive to Russia's traditional alliance with the Serbs, but with the massive air strikes, Russia's sensitivities have been pushed aside. In response, Russia has issued a series of warnings against the West." http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/sep95/9-13/super powers/

You are forgetting Greece and its media too - the biggest chearleaders for Milosevic, Mladic, Karadjic. 

Originally posted by bg_turk Originally posted by malizai_ As for allies, serbia had a pretty big one. "Western diplomats have tried to remain sensitive to Russia's traditional alliance with the Serbs, but with the massive air strikes, Russia's sensitivities have been pushed aside. In response, Russia has issued a series of warnings against the West." http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/Bosnia/updates/sep95/9-13/super powers/ You are forgetting Greece and its media too - the biggest chearleaders for Milosevic, Mladic, Karadjic.

u r  right, u turk

"There was no reason (my opinion) to break down Yougoslavia."

 Yugoslavia; The Avoidable War, - English version, American production
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5860186121153047571& amp; amp;q=yugoslavia+avoidable+war

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371060303901674397& amp;q=yugoslavia+avoidable+war

guys, especially you Komnenos, take a look at this video!

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Originally posted by Milos Obilic "There was no reason (my opinion) to break down Yougoslavia."  Yugoslavia; The Avoidable War, - English version, American production   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5860186121153047571& amp; amp; amp;q=yugoslavia+avoidable+war guys, especially you Komnenos, take a look at this video!

its interesting. By who was the the video made?
 
And what was the German interest in the division of Yugoslavia?


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Well  if this is biased then so is everything else on the Yugoslav wars. This video is the first documentary that I have seen exploring the Serb point of view.

I have no doubt that Serb leaders who were called to the Hague tribunal carried out massacres of Bosniak muslims and their punishment was justified. However it is surprising that Bosnian, Slovenian and especially Croatian generals/commanders/politicians were not called to trial. This is where I believe the outcome of the conflcit was very unfair to the Serbs, since those who have perpetrated crimes against them were not punished (to my knowledge).

One thing I found hard to believe was the open German support of Croatian rebel forces,  the Croatian usage of the faschistic emblem of WWII as their national coat of arms and the lack of international condemnation, especially on the part of Germany, on the pro-faschistic views of the many croatian representatives. I believe support for the returned - Ustashe (I spelled it wrong...) government is apalling, alongside with the lack of media coverage on Ustashe and its past.

With that being said, I believe the massacre that befall the muslims in Srebrennica can not be justified. And neither are the massacres that fell on the Serbs...

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Originally posted by mamikon One thing I found hard to believe was the open German support of Croatian rebel forces,  the Croatian usage of the faschistic emblem of WWII as their national coat of arms and the lack of international condemnation, especially on the part of Germany, on the pro-faschistic views of the many croatian representatives. I believe support for the returned - Ustashe (I spelled it wrong...) government is apalling, alongside with the lack of media coverage on Ustashe and its past.

If there was really an open German support then this is really shameful for post-war democratic Germany,especially since the German governments try to be as sensitive as they can on issues having to do with the Nazist history of Germany.If really the Croatians had used emblems of WWII pro-Nazi Croatia then I think that Germany and the european community members countries should had severely critisized this.I think that the media generally in western Europe had been pro-Croatian rather than neutral.The same thing may have happened in the Greek pro-Serbian media  towards
the Serbian struggle(unfortunately,since the media MUST be objective and it was proved later that Serb side had also commited hideous atrocities)  and I see here on this forum many people criticizing the Greek media whenever they have the opportunity, but nobody until now had ever criticised the media in western European democraties for being pro-Croatian rather than neutral and objective....

Shame



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Originally posted by Death Originally posted by Cezar No vote, because: what if the magyars in Romania will want something like that. (don't just listen to  them (the crazy ones), check the map) Magyar BIG M,and not magyars!!! lol I WONT vote ,but what if,what if....?