Serb Republic/Republic of Srpska/Republika Srpska

Originally posted by RomiosArktos Originally posted by mamikon One thing I found hard to believe was the open German support of Croatian rebel forces,  the Croatian usage of the faschistic emblem of WWII as their national coat of arms and the lack of international condemnation, especially on the part of Germany, on the pro-faschistic views of the many croatian representatives. I believe support for the returned - Ustashe (I spelled it wrong...) government is apalling, alongside with the lack of media coverage on Ustashe and its past. If there was really an open German support then this is really shameful for post-war democratic Germany,especially since the German governments try to be as sensitive as they can on issues having to do with the Nazist history of Germany.If really the Croatians had used emblems of WWII pro-Nazi Croatia then I think that Germany and the european community members countries should had severely critisized this.I think that the media generally in western Europe had been pro-Croatian rather than neutral.The same thing may have happened in the Greek pro-Serbian media  towards the Serbian struggle(unfortunately,since the media MUST be objective and it was proved later that Serb side had also commited hideous atrocities)  and I see here on this forum many people criticizing the Greek media whenever they have the opportunity, but nobody until now had ever criticised the media in western European democraties for being pro-Croatian rather than neutral and objective.... Shame

Croats are a genocidal nation # 1 in Europe, - they have a genocidal nature.

btw. I'm still waiting for some comments from those who had watched  the doc. movie "Yugoslavia; The Avoidable War".

Even though I would love it, with my 56k connection it's impossible to me to watch this video.

For the initial question, if the Serb republic should become independent, I have to say it is very difficult to answer, at least right now.
On the one hand we have the argument that says that the Serb Republic in Bosnia was formed after the ethnic cleansing of its other non serb population. (I'm no expert on this subject, so I make my conclusions from what I read here. So, we assume this is true.) On the other hand we have to respect the will of the majority of the population of RS, which seems to be a union with Serbia.
It has been only like 10-12 years, and it is difficult to say which argument weighs more. A decade is not a big time intervall, and we can always say that the RS lives a 'parasitic' (pure Serbian) life in Bosnia, that has to change (I mean a mixing of the population, and a weakening of the Serb element).  On the other hand as years pass, after some more time (in like 10 years) the situation will have been stabilized, and the right to self determination of the Serbs of Bosnia will be undisputed.
To sum up, because i may have confused you with what I want to say, I think that currently it may not be the time yet, for the RS to become indipendent. But in some years from now, as the situation will have matured, no one will be able to undermine the right of a homgenous people to decide their fate, unless of course we talk of a Bosnain oppression against Serbs of the country.

To Mila I want to say that war is war, and a genocide is part of the war. My country has also suffered genocides and ethnioc cleansings. But you can't base on that and say that Smyrna is Greek, because afterall we lost the war, and ever since, Smyrna has become a Turkish city. The same goes for Cyprus. 200,000 Greeks were forced out of their homeland in northern Cyprus, occupied by Turkey now. But 30 years have passed since then, the turks have established their lives and have made families, you can't kick out the Turks now (or you'll commit an equally bad ethnic cleansing). We had our chance with the 'war' in 1974, now it's late. Bosnia lost the RS in the war, now, unless she commits attrocities like forcing an intermixing of the population or just kicking the Serbs out, she's gonna have to accept the results of her inability to save these areas.
Afterall, the biggest victim of former Yugoslavia is Serbia, which not only saw her big land -rightfully?- get partitioned to other yugoslav subnations, but sees also her national homelands getting chopped off, like Kossovo, which was a crime of the world community against Serbia.

One last thing, Greece does not support only serbia (which she certainly supports -Athens Belgrade axis- but also supports Bosnia for example with actual material (monetary) support.

Originally posted by xristar Even though I would love it, with my 56k connection it's impossible to me to watch this video. For the initial question, if the Serb republic should become independent, I have to say it is very difficult to answer, at least right now. On the one hand we have the argument that says that the Serb Republic in Bosnia was formed after the ethnic cleansing of its other non serb population. (I'm no expert on this subject, so I make my conclusions from what I read here. So, we assume this is true.) On the other hand we have to respect the will of the majority of the population of RS, which seems to be a union with Serbia. It has been only like 10-12 years, and it is difficult to say which argument weighs more. A decade is not a big time intervall, and we can always say that the RS lives a 'parasitic' (pure Serbian) life in Bosnia, that has to change (I mean a mixing of the population, and a weakening of the Serb element).  On the other hand as years pass, after some more time (in like 10 years) the situation will have been stabilized, and the right to self determination of the Serbs of Bosnia will be undisputed. To sum up, because i may have confused you with what I want to say, I think that currently it may not be the time yet, for the RS to become indipendent. But in some years from now, as the situation will have matured, no one will be able to undermine the right of a homgenous people to decide their fate, unless of course we talk of a Bosnain oppression against Serbs of the country. To Mila I want to say that war is war, and a genocide is part of the war. My country has also suffered genocides and ethnioc cleansings. But you can't base on that and say that Smyrna is Greek, because afterall we lost the war, and ever since, Smyrna has become a Turkish city. The same goes for Cyprus. 200,000 Greeks were forced out of their homeland in northern Cyprus, occupied by Turkey now. But 30 years have passed since then, the turks have established their lives and have made families, you can't kick out the Turks now (or you'll commit an equally bad ethnic cleansing). We had our chance with the 'war' in 1974, now it's late. Bosnia lost the RS in the war, now, unless she commits attrocities like forcing an intermixing of the population or just kicking the Serbs out, she's gonna have to accept the results of her inability to save these areas. Afterall, the biggest victim of former Yugoslavia is Serbia, which not only saw her big land -rightfully?- get partitioned to other yugoslav subnations, but sees also her national homelands getting chopped off, like Kossovo, which was a crime of the world community against Serbia. One last thing, Greece does not support only serbia (which she certainly supports -Athens Belgrade axis- but also supports Bosnia for example with actual material (monetary) support.

well said!

Russians - our bros : in 1878 they wanted great bulgaria on account of serbia;they supported the economic sanctions against us in 1992 and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to prevent the bombing of serbia in '99 although they easily could...and today they're playing with kosovo like their father left it to them- ko da im je caca ostavio...And they're claiming: we won't be serbian big brother anymore......they don't care about us - they're just using us to accomplish their own interests, and to show spite to the ''west''...